2015 Malaysian Grand Prix - Sepang

[Rikhart]

On lap 6 there were slow cars who still didn't catch the group back to the safety car.... at that very same moment the safety car went into the pits and the race started again with the group clearly divided in two....

You can hear Raikkonen lamenting that on team radio at minute 18:39 here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSfmMnuv8r8

And that's why you can see him with clear track onboard from lap 10 on

WHAT HAPPENED IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.... didn't anyone notice???

Ridiculous situation. Raikkonen has amazing bad luck...

[AnthonyG]

On lap 6 there were slow cars who still didn't catch the group back to the safety car.... at that very same moment the safety car went into the pits and the race started again with the group clearly divided in two....

You can hear Raikkonen lamenting that on team radio at minute 18:39 here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSfmMnuv8r8

And that's why you can see him with clear track onboard from lap 10 on

WHAT HAPPENED IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.... didn't anyone notice???

Ridiculous situation. Raikkonen has amazing bad luck...

Raikkonen messed up his start, that has lead to this situation.
He had bad luck previous race, but this he owed to himself.

[iotar__]

Ridiculous situation. Raikkonen has amazing bad luck...

On the contrary and facts only (Australia as a pattern example)
- Ferrari in 2015 opposite of bad luck,
- qualifying behind Massa/Vettel in Australia opposite of bad luck,
- start vs Vettel/Sainz and Nasr in Australia opposite of bad luck,
- second stop in AUS bad luck but lack of penalty opposite of bad luck
- qualifying in Malaysia not really a bad luck, may be debatable I didn't follow that closely
- start in Malaysia opposite of bad luck,
- Nasr collision, co-responsible = not bad luck, at best 50%
- no competition behind Ferrari to finish 4th despite all of this - opposite of bad luck

Re:Verstappen, now Toro Rosso guy is gloating and calling people stupid . This is your F1, remove Lotus, FI and Sauber and you have four Red Bull chosen ones tripping over one another. Every single one of them is perfect and if they are not FIA will give 10 s to Hulkenberg. Was it discussed or did he lose his supporters? Firstly it looked more Hulkenberg's but 5 s max (overhead shot would be better), then more like 60/40 but long delay = always something fishy.

[Rikhart]

On lap 6 there were slow cars who still didn't catch the group back to the safety car.... at that very same moment the safety car went into the pits and the race started again with the group clearly divided in two....

You can hear Raikkonen lamenting that on team radio at minute 18:39 here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSfmMnuv8r8

And that's why you can see him with clear track onboard from lap 10 on

WHAT HAPPENED IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.... didn't anyone notice???

Ridiculous situation. Raikkonen has amazing bad luck...

Raikkonen messed up his start, that has lead to this situation.
He had bad luck previous race, but this he owed to himself.

Being hit from behind on yet another race by another silly rookie, getting a flat tyre that damaged his floor, is his mistake? Are you joking?

[evered7]

Being hit from behind on yet another race by another silly rookie, getting a flat tyre that damaged his floor, is his mistake? Are you joking?

Putting himself in that position is. He made a mess of the Q2 lap and ended 11th when he could have joined Vettel in at least the top5, considerably increasing his odds for the race.

[Silent Storm]

Being hit from behind on yet another race by another silly rookie, getting a flat tyre that damaged his floor, is his mistake? Are you joking?

Putting himself in that position is. He made a mess of the Q2 lap and ended 11th when he could have joined Vettel in at least the top5, considerably increasing his odds for the race.

In Qualifying Kimi made a gap to Ericsson but caught him in his outlap. How was this his mistake?? There was nothing he could do.

[Juzh]

Being hit from behind on yet another race by another silly rookie, getting a flat tyre that damaged his floor, is his mistake? Are you joking?

Putting himself in that position is. He made a mess of the Q2 lap and ended 11th when he could have joined Vettel in at least the top5, considerably increasing his odds for the race.

In Qualifying Kimi made a gap to Ericsson but caught him in his outlap. How was this his mistake?? There was nothing he could do.

So how come hamilton managed it behind RAI with similar gap?

[evered7]

Being hit from behind on yet another race by another silly rookie, getting a flat tyre that damaged his floor, is his mistake? Are you joking?

Putting himself in that position is. He made a mess of the Q2 lap and ended 11th when he could have joined Vettel in at least the top5, considerably increasing his odds for the race.

In Qualifying Kimi made a gap to Ericsson but caught him in his outlap. How was this his mistake?? There was nothing he could do.

He only needed to follow Ericsson to get the job done. He went for the overtake and lost the place in Q3. Also it is upto to him to make enough gap to the car in front.

[Kalsi]

Despite raikkonen bad luck or not...

The main point is:

""I it possible that safety car goes into pits without having checked all the group is compact"" ??

I mean there were a full sector between the two parts of the group... that's what Raikkonen was complaining about on team radio

This is ridiculous, and should not happen

[Sevach]

So how come hamilton managed it behind RAI with similar gap?

How come both Hamilton and Ericsson made it?

[xDama]

Being hit from behind on yet another race by another silly rookie, getting a flat tyre that damaged his floor, is his mistake? Are you joking?

Putting himself in that position is. He made a mess of the Q2 lap and ended 11th when he could have joined Vettel in at least the top5, considerably increasing his odds for the race.

Nonsense. There's no ground to that.

A mistake in qualy does not add up to the fact he got hit 3(!) times in the first lap and gets punctured. 1x Maldo, 1x in T1 (can't remember the other car) and finally by Ericson.

Raikkonen is one of, if not the best wheel-to-wheel driver of the pact, yet since he's in the Ferrari he's been tagged numerous times by drivers because of silly mistakes.

[evered7]

Being hit from behind on yet another race by another silly rookie, getting a flat tyre that damaged his floor, is his mistake? Are you joking?

Putting himself in that position is. He made a mess of the Q2 lap and ended 11th when he could have joined Vettel in at least the top5, considerably increasing his odds for the race.

Nonsense. There's no ground to that.

A mistake in qualy does not add up to the fact he got hit 3(!) times in the first lap and gets punctured. 1x Maldo, 1x in T1 (can't remember the other car) and finally by Ericson.

Raikkonen is one of, if not the best wheel-to-wheel driver of the pact, yet since he's in the Ferrari he's been tagged numerous times by drivers because of silly mistakes.

I am not disputing the fact that he is a good wheel to wheel racer compared to many on the grid. But he made his bed by qualifying in midfield with a car capable of P2/P1.

Vettel might not have his race crafts but he did one thing consistently well. Put the car on P1 if it was there to be taken (in his WDC years). There by increasing his chances for a win or podium spots.

I want Kimi to succeed as well but Malaysia could have been better for him if not for his mistake in Q2.

[iotar__]

Being hit from behind on yet another race by another silly rookie, getting a flat tyre that damaged his floor, is his mistake? Are you joking?

1. Not "another silly rookie" because in Australia it was a consequence of a poor attempt at Vettel. Calling it 50/50 would be stretching it because it was 100% against Vettel/Nasr/Maldonado.
2. Nasr contact was 50/50 (again line and speed) and SC unfortunate but the rest was up to a driver. So poor qualifying, losing places at the start and causing collision while driving the best car (strategy and SC corrected) which without a doubt did happen is not a "bad luck".

[komninosm]

Note Hamiltons second stint on the prime tyre. 20 laps. Note the stint on option tyres. 14 laps. He couldn't do more as at that point, on either tyre, his times were crumbling at the end of them. Now, if Mercedes hadn't pitted on lap 4 under the safety car, and if we assume they could have made it to lap 12, they still had another 44 laps to go. So, we're looking at a OPO stint - 12 laps option first, then perhaps 20-24 laps which brings us to lap 32-36 and... another 16-20 laps on the option tyre? Not sure that would have worked out. At best, it would be right at the limit. Personally, I don't think the Mercedes had the ability to do 20 laps of option tyres on the last stint. 16 might be cutting it and highly depends if he would have managed 24 laps on the prime tyre. The drop off at the end was always immense.

No, not OPO, OPOO - 14,17,13,12. That's the same number of pit stops, but running options for much more of the race, and in doing so saving 22 seconds.

While the first stint of 14 laps on options looks long (exactly as long as the one he did in the race, and had eaten all his tires), it actually probably would have been fine, due to a couple of laps under the SC, making this in reality a 12 lap stint.

I agree with Moose.

[giantfan10]

Slower quicky, doesn't mean slower by a second or so and sitting ducks to be overtaken.
Of course every car has to go through back markers, but look at the times they have to go through and analyze how it adds to the woes of tyre life.

He lost 1.6 seconds in 12 laps on lesser fuel than what would be at the start. That is every reason to believe his degradation would have been worse if he stayed out in the SC period.

On your second point, so Vettel would have gotten the same disadvantage as well like Hamilton while passing back markers I suppose?

The point is not that Mercedes weren't fast in Malaysia. They were, but couldn't sustain it. While Ferrari were a lil slower but were consistently in the same range, thus helping them win the race.

you need to recognize that the person you are talking to is a fanboy of mercedes... he will keep making excuses till the end of time.
1.Vettel was .7 seconds behind hamilton in DRS range on lap 3 with DRS about to be activated..
2.Mercedes got a freebie for a first pit stop behind the safety car on their first stop.....
3.no matter what mercedes did with or without a safety car Vettel was going to be ahead after mercedes first pit stop with the pass either on track( see point #1) or in the pits.
IMHO that was game set match vettel with the lead and one less stop to make with nore than enough pace to stay ahead
i could care less how hot it was... it was the exact same temp for ALL the teams.
i could care less what strategic error mercedes made... you dont get to use a perceived error they made as an excuse as to why they got beaten
then some want to look at lap times of different teams at different times in the race with different fuel loads albeit on the same tire really???
on the same tire at the start of the race with as close a fuel load as there could be hamilton could not shake vettel.