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Moose wrote:
Webber2011 wrote:Ok, a question from someone not as knowledgeable as all you good folk.

I'm really enjoying learning about the way the aerodynamics work, and flow vis is my friend because it gives me a visual reference to a lot of the things discussed here.

I found this picture a little puzzling though.

http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Raf ... 863281.jpg

From what I can see they only applied the flow vis to the rear wing.

What would cause the, (for want of a better description), droplets or spattering on the bodywork above and in front of the exhaust ?
At a guess, the flow-vis was applied significantly upstream of the rear wing. To me, it doesn't look like it's been directly applied there. My bet is it's been applied to the leading edge of the side pods.
Thanks to you too Sir :)

This picture from the same set that I didn't notice before I posted seems to back that up.

http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Raf ... 863296.jpg

Thanks guys

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wrong Car but yeah, i'm sure the mechanics love to work with that stuff. :D
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twennyone wrote:
Webber2011 wrote:Ok, a question from someone not as knowledgeable as all you good folk.

I'm really enjoying learning about the way the aerodynamics work, and flow vis is my friend because it gives me a visual reference to a lot of the things discussed here.

I found this picture a little puzzling though.

http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Raf ... 863281.jpg

From what I can see they only applied the flow vis to the rear wing.

What would cause the, (for want of a better description), droplets or spattering on the bodywork above and in front of the exhaust ?
I think they have applied flow vis on the floor before the rear wheels also (possibly a new strake in there?), as pictured in forza's quote below. Maybe it has spattered onto the rear of the engine cover during the lap.
Forza wrote:F1 Testing 2015 - Barcelona - Day 1
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Raf ... 863296.jpg
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Could be a different driver/lap, I'm not sure, would take a closer inspection, but just a possibility.
Yep, you guys have nailed it for me.
Thanks for the answers.

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zioture wrote:Formula 1 day 2 TEST BARCELLONA Esteban Gutiérrez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCJxIXrQUQ
ear orgasm !!!! lmao wonder how long it takes that turbo to stop completely.

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giantfan10 wrote:
zioture wrote:Formula 1 day 2 TEST BARCELLONA Esteban Gutiérrez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCJxIXrQUQ
ear orgasm !!!! lmao wonder how long it takes that turbo to stop completely.
Do you mean the whistle at the end? Isn't it the sound Of the cooling fans?

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Vary wrote:
giantfan10 wrote:
zioture wrote:Formula 1 day 2 TEST BARCELLONA Esteban Gutiérrez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCJxIXrQUQ
ear orgasm !!!! lmao wonder how long it takes that turbo to stop completely.
Do you mean the whistle at the end? Isn't it the sound Of the cooling fans?
cooling fans at that RPM? i dont think so some of it was cooling fans yes but there was turbo in there... the high pitched whine.

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on second viewing you may just be right

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Esteban Gutiérrez: “Our work was aimed at the upcoming races, looking at various aspects, such as driveability, aerodynamics and set-up. We managed to complete a lot of laps and it was definitely a very productive day, even though it was interrupted by a red flag.

However, we managed to make up for lost time and complete our planned programme. We were looking to validate the new aerodynamic package and we managed that. It was a case of understanding how to improve the car’s set-up to better suit the new solutions we ran in the last race and that’s what we did. It was very exciting to drive the SF15-T for the first time and I got a very good feeling from it.

It will be very interesting to transfer this data to our work in the simulator, once we are back in Maranello”.

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To add to that:
"The new package is better," said Gutierrez, who finished seventh of the nine drivers on the Wednesday timesheet.

"You could see it from the race where Sebastian was in a better shape overall, and here we have improved that.

"There was a bit of a difficulty on the way to set up the car for the package, and this was one of things that was interesting to improve for this test.

"But we've worked on a very wide range of things, many related to driveability, and it was positive because we can say we were very productive in this test and we can be happy about it."
Encouraging perspective - although seb being in 'better' shape in the race seems questionable.

But difficulties in quickly understanding how to set up such a drastically different car is a very logical explanation for the difficulties they experienced.

Coupled with fact that I think s3 in Barcelona is a bit of a Mercedes specialty (let's not forget they also nailed everyone by about half a second there in 2013) and this promising news. Although you might also have to say that Monaco has been a Mercedes specialty in recent years.

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santos wrote:This guy must be really tall. He almost blocks the air scoop.
It's called higher seat at testing days. Vetted used them since his RB days.

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Great shot of the latest rear brake ducts via AMUS:

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What Makes The 2015 Ferrari Different

While the overhaul of team management was perhaps most significant to the resurgence that followed, Ferrari has also made a step change in its car design, this year's car being significantly different to its predecessors.

It now seems the team's internal structure has allowed the different technical departments to work in unison, and that a big factor in the improved 2015 form is that the power unit and chassis are both integrated and complementary to a far greater degree than in 2014.

Power Unit/Gearbox
While Ferrari's new chassis clearly offers a handling improvement over the old, a significant proportion of its performance gain comes from the power unit and its packaging.

Last year's introduction of the new 1.6-litre V6 turbo hybrid engines led Ferrari to develop a power unit that compromised horsepower to facilitate a better fit in the chassis. But the chassis did not overcome the lack of power in 2014.

Ferrari has reversed the chassis/power-unit compromise, aiming not only for more outright power, but also improved driveability and more contribution from the ERS-H (heat) in the race.

The 2014 package produced an aggressive power delivery and ERS-H was largely used to provide extra boost in qualifying; the wastegate was run partly open to reduce back pressure. This left it lacking electrical energy to power the MGU-K (kinetic) in the race.

Outwardly, the power unit looks little different to last year. The exhausts have been shortened and the oil tank moved to the front of the engine. But its aims have been met and the motor is challenging Mercedes, although it is still short on power and fuel efficiency compared with the all-conquering Mercedes unit.

The carbonfibre gearbox case has been reshaped in the bellhousing area. Last year, this area was open to contain the turbo, such that the front of the case formed an open 'U' shape rather than a closed 'O'.

The turbo remains within the gear case, but the case now passes over the turbo to close the front into a hexagon-like shape. This makes the case stiffer, owing to the enclosed form, and the turbo exhaust pipe also gets a smoother run. It now passes through an aperture halfway along the top of the case. This less-contorted exhaust pipe releases more power.

Retained from last year is the water-cooled intercooler. This sits in the V of the engine and cools the air compressed by the rear-mounted turbocharger before entering the engine's inlets. This is a neat set-up, saving space in either the sidepods or fuel tank areas, but it does compromise the inlet design.
This design adds a small but significant issue with the new engine, in that it does not run variable-length inlets - making Ferrari the only team not taking advantage of the concession to use these in 2015. Variable-length inlets improves the power unit's driveability, and for Ferrari to adopt these a lot of tokens will need to be spent to alter the inlets and the intercooler design.

Ferrari has a healthy amount of development tokens left to use during the year and so far has had excellent reliability. Mercedes chief Niki Lauda is among those suggesting the Ferrari power unit is now nearly a match for Mercedes in peak horsepower terms. The development race in this area will hot up later this year as these two manufacturers start to add power-unit performance.

Sidepods & Radiators
Ferrari has made big gains here. Since the modified engine package creates more power, and therefore more heat, the radiators must be larger and cannot be vertically mounted as they were in 2014.

In order to package the radiators in a flatter position, Ferrari had to solve the problem of how to make the horizontal cooling airflow turn 90 degrees to pass vertically through the heat exchanger, and then turn again to exit the sidepods.

Rather than use large ductwork to turn the airflow, which would add bulk, Ferrari has chosen to use a series of small vanes under and over the radiator surface to redirect the air. This ensures airflow distribution over the radiator cores is consistent, and that the outer sidepod shape can be made as small as possible.

With the Barcelona update, this radiator set-up allowed a dramatic shrinking of the fronts of the sidepods. The outer shoulder of the sidepod has been lowered in line with the side impact structures, freeing up airflow over the engine cover to improve the performance of the rear wing and diffuser.

Rear Wing

Ferrari has experimented extensively with rear-wing endplates during the past two years. The rules dictate that the endplates must meet a large minimum cross-sectional area, which means they obstruct airflow under the wing and around the rear wheels.

As with most others on the grid, Ferrari's vertical leading edge has a pair of slots to improve flow through the wing. There are also vanes along the endplates' lower edge to turn the air behind the rear tyre to reduce drag.

But Ferrari has added a series of louvres. This passes airflow upwards from inside the wing to the area behind the rear brake ducts. It's common to shape the rear brakes to act as wings, and as a result they create an upwash. It appears Ferrari has added these louvres to aid the upwash effect and allow the rear ducts to create more downforce.

Front Wing
Ferrari launched the SF15-T with an incredible eight-element front wing, but this was subsequently replaced during testing with an ostensibly simpler one. In fact, this wing created even more complex airflow structures, but with less physical complication.

The key areas of the front wing are the outboard sections (marked in black), which are segmented from the inner sections of the wing. These are the hardest-working sections of the wing and are shaped to throw their wake outboard of the front tyre. This improves the airflow downstream. Mercedes has its own, more aggressive, interpretation of this segmented outswept wing.

Ferrari also runs a different nose layout to most other teams, with a long snout mounted to a downswept chassis front. According to technical director James Allison, this makes it difficult to engineer a short nose.

But there are still suggestions that a shorter nose will appear, although it's debatable whether the effort needed to manufacture and crash-test a new one will be worth the performance gain.

PULLROD FRONT SUSPENSION

The suitability of the pullrod front suspension is much debated. It involves the actuating rod pulling the springs and dampers rather than pushing. This means the rod is reversed from the conventional position, passing from the top of the wheel to the bottom of the chassis.

In this position, the pullrod works better for aerodynamic gain because it cleans up the brake duct area and sits in a position to control the front-wing wake.

It's often believed that the different rod position creates problems with suspension geometry, meaning it works the spring and dampers in a different way, but this is a fallacy.

Ferrari has proved the pullrod works without compromising front-end grip, although this year it did need to stiffen the wishbones and pullrod to get the best performance out of it.

Barcelona Update
These changes appear to be aimed at the flow along the flanks of the car, from the front-brake duct gaining new vanes to direct the front wing's wake around the inside face of the wheel, to the bargeboard with several slots to swirl the airflow through the undercut in the sidepods.

Around the rear tyres a new series of three slots in the floor ahead of the tyre reduces the amount of the tyre's wake entering the diffuser, then behind the tyre a tiny two-element winglet was added to the outer edge of the diffuser.

Ferrari was unsure if this massive update was working as well as expected after the opening practice sessions. Barcelona, despite being the most familiar track to the teams, often brings up rapidly-changing track conditions due to sun affecting track temperatures and wind affecting downforce in the corners.

Thus the Scuderia split its cars between new and old set-ups. The poor performance from Kimi Raikkonen in the race was suggested by his race engineer Dave Greenwood to be a result of the differing packages.

In testing this week the team retained its new aero set-up and it appears its introduction is a positive step overall. It can be expected to form the base of Ferrari's summer campaign at the European tracks.

Written by Scarbs and can be found HERE

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Very good writeup. I thought it was written by you! I was like, look out Gary Anderson!
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Did Ferrari run a Monaco-spec monkey seat during testing, like Mercedes?
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Nathanael F1 wrote:Did Ferrari run a Monaco-spec monkey seat during testing, like Mercedes?
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