2015 Canadian Grand Prix - 5-7 June

[domh245]

The FIA have published a pdf detailing new PU components for each car. It is interesting to see that the only components that are still on their first revision are the red bull energy stores, and Perez's ICE, TC, and both MGUs

[Phillyred]

I guess we don't know fuel loads, but the Mercs look pretty dominant so far with 1.5s to the next non-merc in FP1. I wonder when we will see the performance benefits of the new Ferrari PU? Also, I wonder if Merc has just been coy and not had their PU turned up to full wick (until now) to see how the engine development race will progress.

[Phillyred]

I guess we don't know fuel loads, but the Mercs look pretty dominant so far with 1.5s to the next non-merc petronas amg in FP1. I wonder when we will see the performance benefits of the new Ferrari PU? Also, I wonder if Merc has just been coy and not had their PU turned up to full wick (until now) to see how the engine development race will progress.

[Moose]

I guess we don't know fuel loads, but the Mercs look pretty dominant so far with 1.5s to the next non-merc in FP1. I wonder when we will see the performance benefits of the new Ferrari PU? Also, I wonder if Merc has just been coy and not had their PU turned up to full wick (until now) to see how the engine development race will progress.

It's more likely that Ferrari are simply not turning their new PUs up to full wick straight away so that they can do some investigation into whether the updates are working right and reliable.

[f1316]

I guess we don't know fuel loads, but the Mercs look pretty dominant so far with 1.5s to the next non-merc in FP1. I wonder when we will see the performance benefits of the new Ferrari PU? Also, I wonder if Merc has just been coy and not had their PU turned up to full wick (until now) to see how the engine development race will progress.

It's more likely that Ferrari are simply not turning their new PUs up to full wick straight away so that they can do some investigation into whether the updates are working right and reliable.

Exactly. Was thinking much the same.

Still, sky sports are saying that previously Mercedes weren't able to run their qualifying engine mode during the race because of 'knocking' but will now be able to. That wouldn't necessarily show yet but may later.

Still, I very much doubt Ferrari are pushing the new engine (which has to last til monza) right out of the gate.

[McG]

Was that Paul di Resta commentating in practice? Only watched it for a minute.

[giantfan10]

I guess we don't know fuel loads, but the Mercs look pretty dominant so far with 1.5s to the next non-merc in FP1. I wonder when we will see the performance benefits of the new Ferrari PU? Also, I wonder if Merc has just been coy and not had their PU turned up to full wick (until now) to see how the engine development race will progress.

It's more likely that Ferrari are simply not turning their new PUs up to full wick straight away so that they can do some investigation into whether the updates are working right and reliable.

i dont think the new PUs are in the car on friday...from what i read the old spec Pu is normally used for friday practice and the race Pu (new spec) is used on saturday and sunday

[GPR-A duplicate2]

I guess we don't know fuel loads, but the Mercs look pretty dominant so far with 1.5s to the next non-merc in FP1. I wonder when we will see the performance benefits of the new Ferrari PU? Also, I wonder if Merc has just been coy and not had their PU turned up to full wick (until now) to see how the engine development race will progress.

It's more likely that Ferrari are simply not turning their new PUs up to full wick straight away so that they can do some investigation into whether the updates are working right and reliable.

i dont think the new PUs are in the car on friday...from what i read the old spec Pu is normally used for friday practice and the race Pu (new spec) is used on saturday and sunday

Let's agree that is the case. So, the gap between Merc's new PU and Ferrari's old PU, as it stand is 1.693s. The new Ferrari PU BETTER give them something to close that gap, otherwise, Ferrari would be better off treating the current season as a long testing season for next, just like McLaren.

In Bahrain FP2 (FP1 times were not representative between Merc and Ferrari), a track which is again a power circuit like Canada, the gap between Merc and Ferrari was around half a second. Now the new Ferrari PU should at a minimum, must give them a full second to get them to STATUS QUO. It would be interesting to see how much that new Ferrari PU would lift them.

[Youhavebeendunn]

Reporting live from my ice cream stand @T2.

The Ferrari challenge sounds louder than F1....

If any of you are here, come by! I am wearing a merc hat

[Jordan44]

Didn't Ted say in practise that their upgrade is no where near 30BHP like the rumours suggested?

[ferkan]

Of course its not. If its 10-15hp I think they would be happy. I dont think difference this year, even in qualifying was anywhere close to 30hp to begin with...

[f1316]

Let's agree that is the case. So, the gap between Merc's new PU and Ferrari's old PU, as it stand is 1.693s. The new Ferrari PU BETTER give them something to close that gap, otherwise, Ferrari would be better off treating the current season as a long testing season for next, just like McLaren.

In Bahrain FP2 (FP1 times were not representative between Merc and Ferrari), a track which is again a power circuit like Canada, the gap between Merc and Ferrari was around half a second. Now the new Ferrari PU should at a minimum, must give them a full second to get them to STATUS QUO. It would be interesting to see how much that new Ferrari PU would lift them.

Who tells you that 1.6 is a representative gap? For one thing, vettel set that time very early in the session and didn't come close to improving thereafter whereas others found quite a lot of time.

They're obviously running a different program. As ever, have some patience before jumping to conclusions. At the absolute bare minimum, we should wait until end of fp3 but even then it's never entirely clear.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Let's agree that is the case. So, the gap between Merc's new PU and Ferrari's old PU, as it stand is 1.693s. The new Ferrari PU BETTER give them something to close that gap, otherwise, Ferrari would be better off treating the current season as a long testing season for next, just like McLaren.

In Bahrain FP2 (FP1 times were not representative between Merc and Ferrari), a track which is again a power circuit like Canada, the gap between Merc and Ferrari was around half a second. Now the new Ferrari PU should at a minimum, must give them a full second to get them to STATUS QUO. It would be interesting to see how much that new Ferrari PU would lift them.

Who tells you that 1.6 is a representative gap? For one thing, vettel set that time very early in the session and didn't come close to improving thereafter whereas others found quite a lot of time.

Did you actually saw the FP1 live? Because I did. Every fastest lap that Ferrari was recording, it was consistently down over a second in comparison to what Mercs were doing, whether it was early in the session or late. On a green track, Merc did 1:17.xxx (within 10 minutes of the session)

They're obviously running a different program. As ever, have some patience before jumping to conclusions. At the absolute bare minimum, we should wait until end of fp3 but even then it's never entirely clear.

Why until FP3, why not end of season? As if the evidence that we have so far isn't enough to carve out the trend and that we do not know the average gap. Come on man, suddenly Ferrari hasn't changed their program from what they have done since the beginning of the season and so does Merc. If INDEED it is an old PU, the program would conceivably be the same. I understand if they would have gone for a different program if the PU is new.

[Overdriving]

Did you actually saw the FP1 live? Because I did. Every fastest lap that Ferrari was recording, it was consistently down over a second in comparison to what Mercs were doing, whether it was early in the session or late. .

If I'm not mistaken, at least Vettel wasn't using DRS at all on his second run. Don't know about Kimi.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

OK. Here is the confirmation from David Croft in FP2 (just heard on Sky) that Ferrari indeed did ran their new PU in FP1, but with toned down settings.