2015 Canadian Grand Prix - 5-7 June

[aral]

Another way to look at it is that Ricciardo decimated Vettel and now Kvyat is showing signs of being stronger then Ricciardo.

My god! Still going on with that myth? Vettel was the subject of a number of bad calls by rbr last year. to say that ricciardo "decimated" him is just plain stupid. RBR knew that Vettel had signed for Ferrari and were then concentrating on Riccardo. By your reasoning, Kvyat should be leading the WDC if he was driving with Ferrari. Ricciardo has lost it and at this rate will not have a drive for 2016.

[Edax]

Nico has looked a little more competitive in the races so far than last year, besides Monaco, but I don't think that matters now if Lewis starts ahead of him. Can't help but feel the W06 is more comfortable to drive for Lewis because it was designed without FRIC, something which might have benefitted Nico more, meaning he is performing better in qualifying.

To me it looked like Hamilton had some difficulties with the car, especially in the last stint. I can imagine he lost quite a bit of setup time yesterday. Considering that they replaced the front after friday, I can imagine the balance wasn't ideal.

Also I wonder whether he was nursing the right front after flat spotting it early in the second stint. He certainly wasn't throwing the car around like usual. Also in the last few laps when he really started pushing he had a few lockups in the hairpin on the same flatspot, so maybe the tire was a bit compromised.

[Jordan44]

Another way to look at it is that Ricciardo decimated Vettel and now Kvyat is showing signs of being stronger then Ricciardo.

My god! Still going on with that myth? Vettel was the subject of a number of bad calls by rbr last year. to say that ricciardo "decimated" him is just plain stupid. RBR knew that Vettel had signed for Ferrari and were then concentrating on Riccardo. By your reasoning, Kvyat should be leading the WDC if he was driving with Ferrari. Ricciardo has lost it and at this rate will not have a drive for 2016.

RBR knew he was going to Ferrari in Japan. Doesn't explain why Daniel was giving him a thrashing up to that point. Doesn't explain why he had 3 wins to Seb's zero before then. It may not have been a true representation of Vettel's ability but I don't understand how you can deny he got decimated. He did.

[Overdriving]

Another way to look at it is that Ricciardo decimated Vettel and now Kvyat is showing signs of being stronger then Ricciardo.

My god! Still going on with that myth? Vettel was the subject of a number of bad calls by rbr last year. to say that ricciardo "decimated" him is just plain stupid. RBR knew that Vettel had signed for Ferrari and were then concentrating on Riccardo. By your reasoning, Kvyat should be leading the WDC if he was driving with Ferrari. Ricciardo has lost it and at this rate will not have a drive for 2016.

RBR knew he was going to Ferrari in Japan. Doesn't explain why Daniel was giving him a thrashing up to that point. Doesn't explain why he had 3 wins to Seb's zero before then. It may not have been a true representation of Vettel's ability but I don't understand how you can deny he got decimated. He did.

The first year when regulations change so much should never be a true representation of any driver's ability. It was obvious to everyone--and Vettel admitted it himself--that the car didn't suit him and he couldn't drive it as well as Ricciardo did. And that's discarding his horrendous luck and technical problems that Ricciardo rarely had. One season in any given car is not an indicator of any driver's ability, as we're seeing this season.

[Unc1eM0nty]

Hammy built a decent gap on the super softs but seemed to struggle on the softs, I don't think flat spotting on the first lap on softs helped. Nico looked like he had some fight in him today though, good to see, having said that I think Hammy had enough in hand, I only saw Nice get within a second once, even then Hammy had DRS too due to a back marker.

A real shame Vettel started so far back, he showed real pace today and could have forced Merc into a less then optimal strategy, missed opportunity for Kimi not getting a podium.

[henra]

The first year when regulations change so much should never be a true representation of any driver's ability. It was obvious to everyone--and Vettel admitted it himself--that the car didn't suit him and he couldn't drive it as well as Ricciardo did. And that's discarding his horrendous luck and technical problems that Ricciardo rarely had. One season in any given car is not an indicator of any driver's ability, as we're seeing this season.

Finally a voice of reason! [-o<

It is quite clear Seb had difficulties to adapt to the new rules in general and the RB10 in particular. Although I do think that Daniel Ricciardo is an excellent Driver I would not over interpret Seb's performance last year as a Benchmark. Neither for Seb nor for Daniel. Daniel was very lucky last year and that gave him extra confidence. Now this extra confidence is lost and it starts to show. He is basically in the same situation Seb was in last year. Some things going wrong an the mind starting to play havoc. F1 is also a mind game. I'm sure He will recover though as he obviously has got talent. As you can see with Seb sometimes changing environment helps for a mental reset.

[ferkan]

Another way to look at it is that Ricciardo decimated Vettel and now Kvyat is showing signs of being stronger then Ricciardo.

My god! Still going on with that myth? Vettel was the subject of a number of bad calls by rbr last year. to say that ricciardo "decimated" him is just plain stupid. RBR knew that Vettel had signed for Ferrari and were then concentrating on Riccardo. By your reasoning, Kvyat should be leading the WDC if he was driving with Ferrari. Ricciardo has lost it and at this rate will not have a drive for 2016.

RBR knew he was going to Ferrari in Japan. Doesn't explain why Daniel was giving him a thrashing up to that point. Doesn't explain why he had 3 wins to Seb's zero before then. It may not have been a true representation of Vettel's ability but I don't understand how you can deny he got decimated. He did.

I think decimated is a bit too strong of a word to use in this case. I understand why you would do it, keeping in mind which driver you support, but still...

[Jordan44]

I think decimated is a bit too strong of a word to use in this case. I understand why you would do it, keeping in mind which driver you support, but still...

What driver I support makes no difference. Just because I like Lewis means I have to dislike Seb, right? No. Seb is one of my favourite drivers. I wasn't saying Seb is suddenly a worse driver than Daniel, was just supporting the use of the word decimated earlier by someone else. DR finished ahead in more than 75% of races (Although that's not considering reliability issues) and 3 wins to none. Seems like decimation to me. It was enough to make him scramble for the exit.

[ringo]

The first year when regulations change so much should never be a true representation of any driver's ability. It was obvious to everyone--and Vettel admitted it himself--that the car didn't suit him and he couldn't drive it as well as Ricciardo did. And that's discarding his horrendous luck and technical problems that Ricciardo rarely had. One season in any given car is not an indicator of any driver's ability, as we're seeing this season.

Finally a voice of reason! [-o<

It is quite clear Seb had difficulties to adapt to the new rules in general and the RB10 in particular. Although I do think that Daniel Ricciardo is an excellent Driver I would not over interpret Seb's performance last year as a Benchmark. Neither for Seb nor for Daniel. Daniel was very lucky last year and that gave him extra confidence. Now this extra confidence is lost and it starts to show. He is basically in the same situation Seb was in last year. Some things going wrong an the mind starting to play havoc. F1 is also a mind game. I'm sure He will recover though as he obviously has got talent. As you can see with Seb sometimes changing environment helps for a mental reset.

I disagree, everyone had to adapt to the new cars. Vettel had 19 races to figure it out, and if he was better that year things would have eventually evened out and he would have at least been close to Daniel. Daniel was simply on form last year. For the same reasons you say Seb didn't have a good year last year, they may well be why Danny is not looking so sharp this year. Drivers don't always maintain the same level of performance, they are human and can be out of it from race to race or season to season. Danny was simply the better driver last year. Daniil is now looking like he is developing into a top driver this year. It's as simple as we see it. I would love to see Vettel face another driver who is not retiring though...
The one time he faces someone under 35 he gets beaten handily. Ferrari should looking into hiring Perez or Hulkenberg. Even Grosjean would be an interesting pick.

[George-Jung]

Ferrari should looking into hiring Perez or Hulkenberg. Even Grosjean would be an interesting pick.

Hell no!! With Grosjean being the worst of those three.
'Mr. He Hit Me, he hit me'

[sgth0mas]

Vettel has shown all season why he is a top driver, and while it was unfortunate for him to start at the back, at least he helped make this race a little bit interesting today. It was fun to see him tear through the pack twice. I wish i had a better view of the incident with hulkenberg.

It was also good to see bottas bring williams to a podium. And maldonado finally got his points! I am still really disappointed that the honda mcclaren partnership has gone so poorly.

On the subject of better drivers...Last year it was obvious that vettel was trying too hard the make the car something its not. He wouldnt accept the car and was trying to lead the development to a more suitable car. So of course when a young driver is given a chance with a better team...the drivers will have quite different outlooks. While vettel never accepted the car and fought it the whole time, ricciardo was simply happy for the opportunity. And with a sport dominated by technology, you have to have a driver than can both drive well and lead the car development to make a champion. I dont think today was a good indicator of ricciardos ability...or this whole season for the renault drivers.

[iotar__]

Ferrari should looking into hiring Perez or Hulkenberg. Even Grosjean would be an interesting pick.

Hell no!! With Grosjean being the worst of those three.
'Mr. He Hit Me, he hit me'

How about Mr drive without fourth gear for most of the race and overtake Kvyat in Barcelona's turn one that prompted this line by RB: "we still think he might have a gear problem"? Or Mr outqulify very quick Maldonado 5:2 (or whatever it is) without often running in FP1? Or going back to this race mr out-qualify almost (0,1.. + team errors) Ferrari and Williams? Missed it? Anyway in their typical nauseating fashion: team player Grosjean read written by his team fake apologies. That's their policy, apologise and apologise and look where it got them: nowhere. Sixth ot tenth like it matters, you might as well risk.


Lapping (I hope) example: changing direction in the braking zone - strictly forbidden as a way of overtaking and pushing off. Guess who gets a penalty if Glock keeps his normal line and is not getting the f... out the way (on the kerb, not normal at all) as Stevens should have I don't think Alonso would be apologising either.

Vettel has shown all season why he is a top driver, and while it was unfortunate for him to start at the back, at least he helped make this race a little bit interesting today. It was fun to see him tear through the pack twice. I wish i had a better view of the incident with hulkenberg.

I disagree, in Bahrain particularly he wasn't even close, five times or so. Complete lack of competition, close second best car and nowhere near to challenging Merc is not a good indication. In Canada he was a bit of a mess too, very dumb penalty, lied about not touching Hulk, had problems with Alonso and others. Speaking of 2nd best cars Raikkonen - nice spin, anyone thinks it's about "fixing" qualifying or cars that don't suit? It's a team work: Williams removes Massa again and Kimi is making Bottas look good.

[zeph]

Hmph, that was a flat race. Canada is normally a little more entertaining.

Good drives by Vettel and Massa today. I'm glad to see Maldonado in the points finally, he's had nothing but bad luck this year.

But Mercedes' dominance continues unabated. Whatever upgrades the other teams brought, it doesn't seem to have made much of a dent.

I feel for Alonso and Button. They are basically running around the track with a very expensive carbon knapsack.

[SectorOne]

My god! Still going on with that myth? Vettel was the subject of a number of bad calls by rbr last year. to say that ricciardo "decimated" him is just plain stupid. RBR knew that Vettel had signed for Ferrari and were then concentrating on Riccardo. By your reasoning, Kvyat should be leading the WDC if he was driving with Ferrari. Ricciardo has lost it and at this rate will not have a drive for 2016.

Myth? Looks like pure facts to me. And excuses of course.
You apply a certain logic on Ricciardo now but completely disregard the very same thinking for Vettel in 2014 only to replace it with more excuses.
Now a new illusion has been created at Ferrari, simply because yet again there´s no real competition in the other side of the garage.

edit: Also people seem to forget Ricciardo has almost 50% more points then Kvyat.
Has beaten him more time´s in Qualifying and is on average 3 tenths quicker in Qualifying usually starting the races 3 grid slots higher then Kvyat.

So if that myth is busted i don´t think there´s even a word for how busted Vettel is.

[evered7]

What is the website where you can compare two drivers' lap times, throught the race, side by side?

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/

That is one heck of a website. Makes it much easier to compare pace of the cars both intra team and inter team.

Thanks much for the link and credit to whoever built the site and is maintaining it. =D>