Lewis Hamilton has set the record straight at Canada, coming back from the disappointment that befell him in Monaco. The Brit virtually led the race from start to finish, ahead of team mate Nico Rosberg. Williams driver Valtteri Bottas completes the podium
Vettel does not stike me as that kind of person to give up.George-Jung wrote:Please also keep in mind that Vettel was done with Red Bull, lost his motivation there.. and had signed a new contract with Ferrari..
But in may interviews Vettel showed that he was not comfortable with the car and in general with the new Formula 1. Mentally he wasnt in his best moment, something which it was pointed out by Marco, among others.George-Jung wrote:Please also keep in mind that Vettel was done with Red Bull, lost his motivation there.. and had signed a new contract with Ferrari..
Also, a very nice comment by Saward in the comments section too:Joe Saward wrote: If there had been a Safety Car early on, as often happens in Canada, there would have no whingeing about fuel saving because the cars would have had enough to race flat out, but managing fuel, tyres and brakes has always been part of the art of Grand Prix racing and if that is too subtle for the modern audience, which seems to require only instant gratification, then there are too choices: dumb down the sport and do what the audience wants, or educate the audience to appreciate what they are getting.
Very good read. I recommend reading it. (Perhaps this was better posted in the general F1 problems issues not enough overtaking blablabla thread, but what the hell)...Joe Saward wrote:It wasn’t a dull race. It was a tense race. Suspense is a key to sporting entertainment. People watch dull football games all the time in the hope that one team or the other will score a goal. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t.
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Agree it increased overtakes, but to a high cost, they should have opted for a different approach, reducing aero turbulence to ease overtaking at ANY part of any track, so we still would see battles like we´ve always seen
Some Drivers are more sensitive to emotional state and/or car behhaviour than others. The most extreme example of resilience is surely Fernando. He performs in almost all cars and circumstances.PlatinumZealot wrote: I highly rate Seb's consistency in qualifying but he was too much slower than Ricciardo in 2014. Got out-qualified 12 - 7 too much of deficit and average gap was significant too so that leaves some question marks. Qualifying Kings are never slow even in their off-years.
Which year was HAM performing noticeable worse because I didn't notice it.henra wrote:Some Drivers are more sensitive to emotional state and/or car behhaviour than others. The most extreme example of resilience is surely Fernando. He performs in almost all cars and circumstances.PlatinumZealot wrote: I highly rate Seb's consistency in qualifying but he was too much slower than Ricciardo in 2014. Got out-qualified 12 - 7 too much of deficit and average gap was significant too so that leaves some question marks. Qualifying Kings are never slow even in their off-years.
The other end of the spectrum is probably Kimi. I suspect Seb is rather close to Kimi when it comes to that. He had big Off moments and you saw frustration/desparation against Mark webber when EBD wasn't working properly beginning of 2012. That was forgotten once stability was back and he trashed Mark. He seems to be quite sensitive regarding car predicatbility. He is a child of EBD and seems to have had to learn being fast with a less stable and predictable rear. And the RB10 + 11 seem to be tricky in that regard. With the F-15T he has found obviously a rather consistent ride. In the F14, I'm sure he would have completely went under.
Even Lewis who ssems to be a good combination of Seb and Fernando (Good single lap Speed and good race craft) was performing noticeably worse when the brake Feeling didn't suit him.
So, No, I don't agree that the world is so simple and qualifying kings are always qualifying kings. There are also qualifying princesses.
If you mean 2014... then..mmnnyah.. not really. He had some issues with the brakes but it didn't slow him down that much he was not noticeably slower than usual. I accpet that Rosberg nipped it as the better qualifier that year. HAM car's was set for the race most of the time too. The thing with Vettel's driving it lacked both Q speed and Race speed on tyre limited tracks. It is one of those cases I cannot explain. I still think he is a top qualifier though.
I think he is talking about 2013, Lewis was very vocal about how unnatural FRIC made the car feel under breaking.PlatinumZealot wrote: Which year was HAM performing noticeable worse because I didn't notice it.
See i don't understand why people are saying this now.WilliamsF1 wrote:Listening to Daniel Ricciardo after the Canadian Grand Prix could have created the impression that he was reading a 2014 Vettel interview to the press. The Australian, whom some had perhaps somewhat prematurely declared to be the next best thing, had just suffered his way through a race that would make some of Vettel’s exploits in his last RB year look like a success. For the second time in a row the highly rated Australian was beaten by his team mate and finds himself in a classic role-reversal as like Vettel last year, he has no explanation for the fact that he suddenly seems unable to get the best out of his car. And what he has to say about it sounds astonishingly similar to the words of his former team mate.
”There must be something fundamentally wrong with the car. I’m not a whole second slower than Daniil, and I certainly haven’t forgotten how to drive.” We seem to have heard that before.
According to the ‘honey badger’ his car lacked grip despite the fact that he ran a higher downforce setup than his Russian team mate. The car’s sliding subsequently leads to higher tyre wear. Hmm, sounds familiar…
”I hope we can soon find out what’s wrong, so I can sleep peacefully again. I’m afraid though that we have to dig a bit deeper. It could be one of those problems where you have to check everything.”
Not only the interviews recall memories of Vettel 2014, so do Red Bull’s attempts at solving the problem. Last year Vettel’s chassis was changed no less than three times and the same will now be done with Ricciardo, who’ll get an all-new RB11 for the Austrian Grandprix.
Daniel Ricciardo, who is still one of the best overtakers in the field might simply be a victim of what happened to his former team mate. Last year it was Vettel, who had to make do with a car that was a definite step back from his former steeds, while even the lamest Red Bull was almost guaranteed to be better than what Danny had driven at Toro Rosso. This year he assumes the role of the German, and it appears he finds it equally difficult to let his talent shine when the car is not up to it, while the man he has beaten last year, enjoys a renaissance in a car that is better suited to his needs.
The Australian can take comfort though. His drop in performance is so far not nearly as drastic as happened to his team mate last year.
- Jundge13
And its not the same as it was, for example in 2003, where drivers were pushing much more even if they had to save fuel and other things.ChrisF1 wrote:I can't say that I found it tense, but is that because I just see FOrmula 1 as a stage managed production controlled by the pitwall where drivers are just actors delivering their (racing) lines on cue?
Sorry but I disagree, you should add some drivers too but they also think that rules are nowadays too complicated and that they cant drive at 100%. I prefer the "boring" races of 2000s because at least the cars were truly fast, the drivers drove att 100% and the overtakes, even being too few, were 100% legit.dans79 wrote:The more posts I read on this forum and others, the more I think the problem with F1 is the fans not the sport/show. All I hear anymore, is someone saying we need more drama, or the rules are to complicated.
I will never understand this insecent need for reality tv style drama, don't people have enough of that in their own lives. The reason I stopped watching NASCAR in my teens, was because they kept dumbing it down to the toddler level, and making it all about the next big crash or driver fight. It seems soon F1 will be exactly the same, nothing but amusement for the mob as the Romans would say.
The Swiss cheese tires are because of the fans who wanted more of a show, DRS is because of the fans who wanted more passing. Saving breaks is because they are at the limit of the technology, I mean my first car from the early 80's had bigger diameter rims, and I'm pretty sure breaks than current f1 cars.Vasconia wrote: Sorry but I disagree, you should add some drivers too but they also think that rules are nowadays too complicated and that they cant drive at 100%.
teams will find a way to get the downforce back, and to have a development war you need to shut up the people who constantly complain about cost.Vasconia wrote: Its that complicated to create fast cars without so much downforce to allow the overtakings???
