2015 Belgian Grand Prix - 21-23 August

[zeph]

I was waiting for Vettel's tires to go out. It was inevitable. He did like 30+ laps on them?

There's also the fact it's a 7km lap round this place + eau rouge each lap.

Of course. It was a bad call by Ferrari.

[Juzh]

Funny how bridgestones never blew out despite being pushed at 10 times the rate for the entire races more often than not.
Bottom line: PIRELLI IS ******* INCOMPETENT AT THEIR JOB.

[Silent Storm]

Raikkonen and Massa were in traffic while Vettel was in clean air

[Juzh]

Raikkonen and Massa were in traffic while Vettel was in clean air

Raikkonen sat at 2s gap for almost entire race and didn't even try to close up to massa.

[zeph]

Funny how bridgestones never blew out despite being pushed at 10 times the rate for the entire races more often than not.
Bottom line: PIRELLI IS ******* INCOMPETENT AT THEIR JOB.

Wow, butthurt?

Pirelli simply makes the tires they have been instructed to make. They could easily make tires that last a whole race. But FIA/FOM wants more excitement/overtaking.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Throw some mud at me if the Ferrari's are out of the podium this weekend.

Sorry mate... here it is....

[Silent Storm]

Raikkonen and Massa were in traffic while Vettel was in clean air

Raikkonen sat at 2s gap for almost entire race and didn't even try to close up to massa.

After the virtual safety car he was within 3tenths of Massa but then Massa set the fastest lap and we know how bad it is for the tyres to run that close for a long time. Even Kvyat on fresh tyres could not pass Massa easily.

[Sevach]

Ferrari/Vettel got what they deserved. It was dumb to do a one-stopper.

Yes, pirelli's incompetence is ferrari's fault hahaha. Lets forget his laptimes were still better than everyone else apart from mercs and grosejan at that time.

?

Both Kvyat (he actually clocked one lap over 2 seconds faster) and Verstappen were lapping over a second faster then Vettel at some points before the tire blowout. edit: They hit "traffic" which slowed them down considerably.
Basically the whole group behind Vettel was catching him at different speeds.

Had Ferrari pitted Vettel 14 laps or so to the end he would've easily caught Grosjean, Kvyat's pace was clear indication of the difference, i didn1t understand the call.

[Moose]

Funny how bridgestones never blew out despite being pushed at 10 times the rate for the entire races more often than not.
Bottom line: PIRELLI IS ******* INCOMPETENT AT THEIR JOB.

Ehhh... Pirelli's job is very explicitly to produce tires that don't last a whole race. The FIA, the people who pay them, very explicitly asked for that.

It seems to me that Vettel's tyre blowing up was exactly the behaviour you'd expect from Pirelli doing their job.

[Steven]

Gents, can we please just wait until Ferrari and Pirelli have something interesting to say about the tyre, rather than starting a blame game and filling this thread with unfounded drivel?

[LionKing]

Still, these Pirelli tires are crap.

Vettel was doing very competitive lap times. Grosjean could not pass him with Merc engine. For a proper operation, you would expect the performance of the tires go first long before a sudden blow out. IF Vettel was doing 2-3 secs slower lap time than the rest and crawling to the finish then maybe you can say they should have pitted.

[LionKing]

Ehhh... Pirelli's job is very explicitly to produce tires that don't last a whole race. The FIA, the people who pay them, very explicitly asked for that.

It seems to me that Vettel's tyre blowing up was exactly the behaviour you'd expect from Pirelli doing their job.

No they should lose performance so that 2-3 stops per races are expected not that they should blow out suddenly.

[zeph]

Yes, pirelli's incompetence is ferrari's fault hahaha. Lets forget his laptimes were still better than everyone else apart from mercs and grosejan at that time.

?

Both Kvyat (he actually clocked one lap over 2 seconds faster) and Verstappen were lapping over a second faster then Vettel at some points before the tire blowout. edit: They hit "traffic" which slowed them down considerably.
Basically the whole group behind Vettel was catching him at different speeds.

Had Ferrari pitted Vettel 14 laps or so to the end he would've easily caught Grosjean, Kvyat's pace was clear indication of the difference, i didn1t understand the call.

Exactly. I think Ferrari anticipated/hoped for rain. they should have pitted Vettel when Mercedes did as well.

[cirrusflyer]

Funny how bridgestones never blew out despite being pushed at 10 times the rate for the entire races more often than not.
Bottom line: PIRELLI IS ******* INCOMPETENT AT THEIR JOB.

So underinflating the tyers has nothing to do with it?
Bhall explaind it well in Ferrari thread.
And the picture:
http://i.imgur.com/G0d4gZW.jpg
Guess it could be Ferrari and not Pirelli afterall.

[bhall II]

Funny how bridgestones never blew out despite being pushed at 10 times the rate for the entire races more often than not.
Bottom line: PIRELLI IS ******* INCOMPETENT AT THEIR JOB.

First and foremost, --- the regulations for being so tight. If you take away options, teams can and will resort to extreme measures to attempt to improve their position. In this case, Ferrari likely ran its tires too low, too long.

Second, --- Ferrari for not recognizing the potential for this problem yesterday...

Yeah, I get that it's under massive loading. I just don't know that I've seen a F1 tire react like this before.

Third, --- Pirelli for continuing to be an unwelcome source of anything other than decent rubber. But, I can sorta understand it these days, given the utter dearth of opportunities for meaningful testing.