Mercedes AMG F1 W06

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Diesel wrote:
If it was fully compressed, how is it able to compress further on the loaded side through the corners? :wtf:

EDIT: Just watched it again and placed my cursor on part of the pushrod for reference, it's definitely not "full compressed", it hardly changes down the straight, only through the corners.
This is a typical behavior of a stiff third spring, and/or a bumpstop in the third spring.
The third spring prevents the suspension from compressing both sides at the same time.

During cornering the cornersprings/anti roll bar do their work. Seems the roll stiffness is way softer than the heave stiffness. Exactly what you would expect from an aero dependent formula with strong ride night sensivity.

By the way: do they still use their hydraulic coupling?

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Shooty81 wrote:
Diesel wrote:
If it was fully compressed, how is it able to compress further on the loaded side through the corners? :wtf:

EDIT: Just watched it again and placed my cursor on part of the pushrod for reference, it's definitely not "full compressed", it hardly changes down the straight, only through the corners.
This is a typical behavior of a stiff third spring, and/or a bumpstop in the third spring.
The third spring prevents the suspension from compressing both sides at the same time.

During cornering the cornersprings/anti roll bar do their work. Seems the roll stiffness is way softer than the heave stiffness. Exactly what you would expect from an aero dependent formula with strong ride night sensivity.

By the way: do they still use their hydraulic coupling?
Great answer =D> I think you are referring to the FRIC suspension? It was banned mid season last year, I can't remember the reason.

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Diesel wrote:
Shooty81 wrote:
Diesel wrote:
If it was fully compressed, how is it able to compress further on the loaded side through the corners? :wtf:

EDIT: Just watched it again and placed my cursor on part of the pushrod for reference, it's definitely not "full compressed", it hardly changes down the straight, only through the corners.
This is a typical behavior of a stiff third spring, and/or a bumpstop in the third spring.
The third spring prevents the suspension from compressing both sides at the same time.

During cornering the cornersprings/anti roll bar do their work. Seems the roll stiffness is way softer than the heave stiffness. Exactly what you would expect from an aero dependent formula with strong ride night sensivity.

By the way: do they still use their hydraulic coupling?
Great answer =D> I think you are referring to the FRIC suspension? It was banned mid season last year, I can't remember the reason.
They don't use the system at which all of the suspension at each wheels were connected to each other. However, they might still use hydraulic coupling between front left and right tires and rear right and left tires separately as far as I know

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Diesel wrote:
Shooty81 wrote:
Diesel wrote:
If it was fully compressed, how is it able to compress further on the loaded side through the corners? :wtf:

EDIT: Just watched it again and placed my cursor on part of the pushrod for reference, it's definitely not "full compressed", it hardly changes down the straight, only through the corners.
This is a typical behavior of a stiff third spring, and/or a bumpstop in the third spring.
The third spring prevents the suspension from compressing both sides at the same time.

During cornering the cornersprings/anti roll bar do their work. Seems the roll stiffness is way softer than the heave stiffness. Exactly what you would expect from an aero dependent formula with strong ride night sensivity.

By the way: do they still use their hydraulic coupling?
Great answer =D> I think you are referring to the FRIC suspension? It was banned mid season last year, I can't remember the reason.
The reason was that the word on the street was that Merc's FRIC was more advanced than everyone else's. So the FIA thought it would reduce their advantage by banning it. Just like they tried to do with Red Bull with their exhausts/diffusors. In both instances, nothing happened. It's probably the Merc suspension being very advanced overall and FRIC was just a small part of it.

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"It is seven tokens," added Cowell. "We have spent three tokens on the combustion aspect of the engine. The other four tokens I would rather not say where we spent them."

Info comes from here.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merce ... est-engine

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Can somebody please tell me what purpose the fin in front of the cockpit opening serves? I've been wondering this for a long time but couldn't find an answer. It's also found on other cars in different designs.

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jetho wrote:
Can somebody please tell me what purpose the fin in front of the cockpit opening serves? I've been wondering this for a long time but couldn't find an answer. It's also found on other cars in different designs.
I believe its used to hold the screen drivers use when they are in pits

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jetho wrote:
Can somebody please tell me what purpose the fin in front of the cockpit opening serves? I've been wondering this for a long time but couldn't find an answer. It's also found on other cars in different designs.
It's to meet the technical regulations that require the driver's helmet to always sit underneath a straight line between the front of the cockpit and the top of the roll hoop. Because the FIA measures this via a bar that is put onto the car on its centreline, this fin virtually raises the front of the cockpit, making it easier to fit the driver (and it allows him a slight improvement in visibility).

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I think it goes back to the days when the cars had a forward roll hoop in front of the cockpit. As Steven says, the rules measure between roll hoops to ensure driver protection. A bit moot these days but the rule has never been repealed.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

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From 2016 on that position will probably be safetycameras developed by magneti marelli that will be faced to drivers head so FIA can have quality footage in case of accident

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There have been cameras in the front hoop position in the past to give a view of the driver. Never saw much footage from them during the races but I'm sure I remember Montoya and M. Schumacher being viewed that way.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

The_Truth
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Can a Formula One engine lose about two horsepower due use every single race?

Is that truth?

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The_Truth wrote:Can a Formula One engine lose about two horsepower due use every single race?

Is that truth?
Much more than only 2 horsepower. I'd bet on around 5-10hp per race. That would leave rosberg down around 30-60 this race.

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Steven wrote:
jetho wrote:
Can somebody please tell me what purpose the fin in front of the cockpit opening serves? I've been wondering this for a long time but couldn't find an answer. It's also found on other cars in different designs.
It's to meet the technical regulations that require the driver's helmet to always sit underneath a straight line between the front of the cockpit and the top of the roll hoop. Because the FIA measures this via a bar that is put onto the car on its centreline, this fin virtually raises the front of the cockpit, making it easier to fit the driver (and it allows him a slight improvement in visibility).
I think it is also used to block wind from hitting the driver's hand through corners when he turns the wheel when some drivers choose to have a solid one rather than the one of rosberg's cockpit pictures above with the clots/jagged edges

Just_a_fan
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We're not talking about the windscreen, we're talking about the fin that runs front to back in front of the cockpit.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.