MotoGP 2015

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Marquez messing with riders races again,.. ban him.
Finishing races is important, but racing is more important.

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Everytime rossi doesn't win or things dont go his way it's someone else's fault :lol: :roll: he wasn't fast enough anyway. 4th either way today.

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Juzh wrote:Everytime rossi doesn't win or things dont go his way it's someone else's fault :lol: :roll: he wasn't fast enough anyway. 4th either way today.
In a normal race both Hondas would have finished in front of Lorenzo.
Finishing races is important, but racing is more important.

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FrukostScones wrote:Marquez messing with riders races again,.. ban him.
This a joke, right..

Lorenzo won the race & the championship - on his merits..

Though it was pretty funny to see Lorenzo being given warm congrats on his dual win - by bitter Rossi rival - Max Biaggi..
"Well, we knocked the bastard off!"

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FrukostScones wrote:
Juzh wrote:Everytime rossi doesn't win or things dont go his way it's someone else's fault :lol: :roll: he wasn't fast enough anyway. 4th either way today.
In a normal race both Hondas would have finished in front of Lorenzo.
What do you mean normal race?

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You can't judge how much coming from the back of the field hurt Rossi's tyres - his pace was good all weekend.

If those last three races had been run normally, with everyone competing for the win, there's no doubt in my mind Rossi would be world champion.

Lorenzo won more races, so maybe deserves it in that way, but equally was not as consistent when not feeling it - not so good at getting a podium in all conditions as Rossi. He's more of a Button type to Rossi's Alonso.

Either way though, it sickens me to Marquez having to get involved completely unecessarily.

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I kind of left a sour taste after watching Lorenzo taking the title here in Valencia. Even more so after the race. I believe the title had already been decided before this weekend even had started. Already scripted on table.

- Final race and championship decider is in Valencia, Spain
- Title contender and eventually taking the title by winning is Jorge Lorenzo, who's Spanish
- The podium consisted of three Spaniards
- Spanish King Juan Carlos would hand the Championship trophy on the podium.

It's sour that Vale had to endure double penalty for this race. Points deducted from his season and add to that, starting from the back. The points deduction would have been well enough... Still drove like a champion to come home 4th in the end. Lost most of his time trying to get by Smith, Espargaro and Dovi.

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GPR-A wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:
Juzh wrote:Everytime rossi doesn't win or things dont go his way it's someone else's fault :lol: :roll: he wasn't fast enough anyway. 4th either way today.
In a normal race both Hondas would have finished in front of Lorenzo.
What do you mean normal race?
like 1st race of a season.

just look how Marquez viciously fought Pedrosa off to protect Lorenzo and not his race position

Marquez could have overtaken Lorenzo without endangering him, but Marquez today didn't ride for Honda but for Lorenzo.

Anyone who denies this, well... :mrgreen:
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f1316 wrote:You can't judge how much coming from the back of the field hurt Rossi's tyres - his pace was good all weekend.
Whose fault was it, to start from the back?
f1316 wrote:If those last three races had been run normally, with everyone competing for the win, there's no doubt in my mind Rossi would be world champion.
What was wrong in those races, other than Malaysia?
f1316 wrote:Either way though, it sickens me to Marquez having to get involved completely unecessarily.
Who invited? What was the need for Rossi to go childish in Malaysia and talk rubbish that didn't existed. Complete under estimation of another rising fast rider's ability to spoil the party. May be in the past Rossi was fast and prevailed in the battle of words, not this time against someone who is way more faster.

How Rossi's mind games backfired
Whereas the late Marco Simoncelli initially went into his shell after repeatedly taking a barrage of criticism from high-profile rivals for his riding style, the calibre of Marquez's CV means he is by no means obliged to wilt in the face of psychological tricks. Sure enough, when Rossi first brought up the subject in Malaysia, Marquez simply burst into laughter.
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But perhaps the nature of the Biaggi rivalry was a prime reason - along with his talent - that Rossi came out on top in that feud. Neither he nor Biaggi could really keep their emotions in check when that rivalry was at its most severe, whereas up to now Marquez has played the smiling assassin (in Rossi's eyes) to perfection.

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I don't blame Marquez for not wanting to risk Lorenzo. I think Marquez was looking for an opportunity where he could overtake Lorenzo, but only if it could be without risking collision or Pedrosa to pass through. In any other situation, he would have been much agressive to take that position. Infact when Pedrosa got by he was very agressive to get the position back.

Which I think is more then fair. Rossi did a very spiteful thing. This is justified payback.
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For those that feel slighted or robbed in some way, just remember, Next year starts on Tuesday
with the first test of the 2016 preseason.

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Rossi saying this championship has been manipulated at the end of the race has been the corfirmation of the fall of a myth to me :cry: :cry:

I had always admire him because winners usually don´t take defeat too good, but Rossi was a exception, he had always been very respectful, always congratulates his rival, and never said a bad word.

But today he´s just confirmed he can´t cope with his lack of competitiveness acusing Marc again about manipulating the championship since Philip Island, since that race where Marc beated Jorge is last lap :wtf: :roll:



I´ve never liked Jorge, and still doesn´t, but I´m happy he won this tittle, Rossi didn´t deserve it, both for lack of speed and blabblermouth (if that´s the word)

Congratulations Jorge for the third MotoGP title and fifth World Championship. Like it or not he´s been the fastest throughout the season :D

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turbof1 wrote:Which I think is more then fair. Rossi did a very spiteful thing. This is justified payback.
Exactly my feelings!

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f1316 wrote:If those last three races had been run normally, with everyone competing for the win, there's no doubt in my mind Rossi would be world champion.
In last three races, if in your opinion not everyone competed for the win.... It was Jorge who didn´t try to win? Or it was Rossi? Because Marc won that race when 5 laps to go it looked like an easy win for Lorenzo, but Marc did an asthonishing last lap, passed Jorge, and won.


It´s amazing how some people can ignore reality as if nobody would have seen what really happened

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f1316 wrote:He was protecting lorenzo, ensuring he won the world championship, straight and simple.
You know Marc passing Lorenzo would have changed nothing, don´t you?

Staying behind Lorenzo on purpose the only thing he´d have achieved is renouncing to his own victory, nothing else. With Rossi 4th Lorenzo victory was unnecessary, second would have been enough to win the title, so that simply has no sense at all.


Marc tried the whole race, but Lorenzo was faster. There´s a reason Lorenzo started from pole :wink:

He said his plan was attacking at the end of the race, but Pedrosa´s pass make him lose some meters he couldn´t recover in last 2 laps. Exactly what we saw during the race with Marc struggling to follow Jorge, and Pedrosa, as usually, doing great when the tank is light