2015 Brazilian Grand Prix - Sao Paulo, November 13 - 15

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Godius
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Re: 2015 Brazilian Grand Prix - Sao Paulo, November 13 - 15

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Lol. Hamilton told that it is impossible to overtake here on this track. He should pay a visit to Verstappen and ask for some advice on this topic.

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It's just different sport this F1 whitout Alonso fighting for the wins....this Rosbergs,Vettels,Bottas fellas just dont excite me!
I hope Honda does its homework and in a year or two we see Lewis vs Fernando clash of titans again.

EDIT: and the sound of engines...LOL...you dont even here it on TV coming out of turn 4 up the hill....its a disgrace this F1
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Godius wrote:Lol. Hamilton told that it is impossible to overtake here on this track. He should pay a visit to Verstappen and ask for some advice on this topic.
I don't think Verstappen could have overtaken Nico Rosberg in the same car. It is not a Toro Rosso vs Force India. We all know that Toro Rosso has a very good chassis compared to other midfield cars. However, at the same car overtaking is almost impossible if both of the drivers are good.

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- Uneventful race, huge gaps between teams, no Ferrari Williams fight :-( , classic F1 purists should be satisfied.
- Comfortable, under control win. That's how Russia and Suzuka should have looked like, probably USA too. Pressure + slower pace + Hamilton = mistakes and talking
- Grosjean 14th -> 9th. Lotus' management that gave up on results, sells free practice, thinks that 10 laps of preparation before the race is enough and only affects pride must be disappointed.

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Sevach wrote:
dans79 wrote:
Sevach wrote:Rosberg drove better pure and simple.
really? how come Lewis was all over his gear box then for several laps, on one of the toughest tracks to follow on.
Every track is hard to follow Interlagos isn't any harder than most.

Hamilton blew his wad early and was killing his tires.
Please provide evidence to support this. None of the drivers seem to agree.
iotar__ wrote:- Uneventful race, huge gaps between teams, no Ferrari Williams fight :-( , classic F1 purists should be satisfied.
- Comfortable, under control win. That's how Russia and Suzuka should have looked like, probably USA too. Pressure + slower pace + Hamilton = mistakes and talking
- Grosjean 14th -> 9th. Lotus' management that gave up on results, sells free practice, thinks that 10 laps of preparation before the race is enough and only affects pride must be disappointed.
Hamilton made no obvious mistakes this weekend, nor is he a man under pressure after sealing the title. No idea what you're talking about. Also, Russia, and USA could have been a lot different because they are circuits where you don't have problems following other cars. Have you noticed that barely any of your comments actually receive a response? Come on man. Yes we get it you like Nico and he is a good driver, but you don't have to make excuses for him not winning the title every single race. Lewis was the better man over the season. It's boring.
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J0rd4n wrote: Please provide evidence to support this. None of the drivers seem to agree.
I never seen anyone but Hamilton say that about Interlagos, plenty of battles behind the top 5...

And of course Hamilton says that every time he can't overtake, it is not the first time, won't be the last...

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Sevach wrote:
J0rd4n wrote: Please provide evidence to support this. None of the drivers seem to agree.
I never seen anyone but Hamilton say that about Interlagos, plenty of battles behind the top 5...

And of course Hamilton says that every time he can't overtake, it is not the first time, won't be the last...
Last year was a procession (not just up front), as was this year. This circuit comes alive in wet conditions.

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Sevach wrote:
J0rd4n wrote: Please provide evidence to support this. None of the drivers seem to agree.
I never seen anyone but Hamilton say that about Interlagos, plenty of battles behind the top 5...

And of course Hamilton says that every time he can't overtake, it is not the first time, won't be the last...
Overtaking gets harder if you are in the same car an the drivers are almost even in skill and if you can't go off strategy. It's not like Hamilton has to overtake drivers like Nasr and Ericsson. Rosberg is from a different level to those drivers. These cars are just to heavily based on aero and especially the front-wing, I really hope they get that right in 2017. Hamilton came really close but there was just no opportunity to pass, its not like MotoGP were a small gap is sufficient to pass. Also people don't give Rosberg the credit he deserves, I can't understand that people compare him to the likes of Webber. Rosberg so much better then people give him credit for because he gets beaten by Hamilton. Rosberg would have been double world champion is he had Webber as his team mate.

Now that there is really nothing to play for anymore for Mercedes I just really hope that the team loosens up a bit and give the drivers the chance to fight each other on track by giving them the opportunity to go on a different strategy. Because Mercedes are depriving us from great battles on track, which is a huge shame.
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dans79 wrote:Well now that Nico is assured second place in the WDC, perhaps the damn team will actually let them race instead of the gifting bs they have done the last 2 rounds.
They let them race each round. Hamilton simply failed to make it stick. Apart from the time after the 1st stop where he was overpushing it and paid the price with falling back later, he was no threat to Rosberg.

Ironically I never see people writing essays about how hard it is to overtake in the same car, if it is Rosberg who can't get past Hamilton (i.e. Canada due to rising brake temperatures).

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Feuerdrache wrote:
dans79 wrote:Well now that Nico is assured second place in the WDC, perhaps the damn team will actually let them race instead of the gifting bs they have done the last 2 rounds.
They let them race each round. Hamilton simply failed to make it stick. Apart from the time after the 1st stop where he was overpushing it and paid the price with falling back later, he was no threat to Rosberg.

Ironically I never see people writing essays about how hard it is to overtake in the same car, if it is Rosberg who can't get past Hamilton (i.e. Canada due to rising brake temperatures).
Because Hamilton has shown it is possible far more times than Rosberg has.

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Hamilton has overtaken Rosberg exactly 4 times when they are together as teammates. Not when Rosberg runs off the circuit, or if he gets a bad start, but an actual on-track overtake.

Monza 2013, Brazil 2013, Japan 2014, USA 2014. Out of these races, at Monza 2013 he was on different tyres and a different strategy.

Rosberg has passed Hamilton 3 times.

India 2013, Korea 2013, and USA 2015. All were done on the same tyres and with the same strategy.

Hence the claim that Hamilton passes Rosberg "far more often" than the other way around isn't completely true.

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J0rd4n wrote:
Sevach wrote:
J0rd4n wrote: Please provide evidence to support this. None of the drivers seem to agree.
I never seen anyone but Hamilton say that about Interlagos, plenty of battles behind the top 5...

And of course Hamilton says that every time he can't overtake, it is not the first time, won't be the last...
Last year was a procession (not just up front), as was this year. This circuit comes alive in wet conditions.
This is demonstrably false. Turn 1 of Interlagos has been a great overtaking place for decades now.

Hamilton was just too slow this weekend and got beat, no different to Rosberg in China.

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Hamiton was the faster car. You dont cut a 3 second gap down to DRS if you are slower. The problem is that Rosberg has the same exact car, same tires, same strategist and most of all track position on a track where you cannot follow with the same pace.
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Kingshark wrote:Hamilton has overtaken Rosberg exactly 4 times when they are together as teammates. Not when Rosberg runs off the circuit, or if he gets a bad start, but an actual on-track overtake.

Monza 2013, Brazil 2013, Japan 2014, USA 2014. Out of these races, at Monza 2013 he was on different tyres and a different strategy.

Rosberg has passed Hamilton 3 times.

India 2013, Korea 2013, and USA 2015. All were done on the same tyres and with the same strategy.

Hence the claim that Hamilton passes Rosberg "far more often" than the other way around isn't completely true.
Not including times when Rosberg runs off the circuit is a completely wrong thing to do because he runs off the track due to the fact Hamilton puts him under pressure, and it removes the opportunity for Lewis to actually prove he can overtake. So Monza 2014 is completely valid. Bahrain 2014. Could also include Canada 2014... until his brakes failed.

Perhaps that was the wrong wording anyway. Hamilton has challenged his team-mate for the lead far more often than Rosberg has. Rosberg in Canada 2015, for example, never actually got into DRS zone for more than a few laps. He always seems happy enough to sit behind and we've never seen the same attack mode from him.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:Hamiton was the faster car. You dont cut a tyree second gap down to DRS if you are slower. The problem is that Rosberg he same exact car, same tires, same strategist and most of all track position on a track where you cannot follow with the same pace.
This is way you take pole on saturday. What's done is done.