Williams F1 have secured third position in this year's Constructors Championship, despite a largely disappointing performance at the Brazilian Grand Prix.
Because when Hamilton leads a race he always establish a lead of 4 or 5 second, so then there is no suggestion of passing by Rosberg. Rosberg got really close in Spain 2014, USA 2015 and China 2015 if a remember correct. But mostly Lewis just clears off.Feuerdrache wrote:They let them race each round. Hamilton simply failed to make it stick. Apart from the time after the 1st stop where he was overpushing it and paid the price with falling back later, he was no threat to Rosberg.dans79 wrote:Well now that Nico is assured second place in the WDC, perhaps the damn team will actually let them race instead of the gifting bs they have done the last 2 rounds.
Ironically I never see people writing essays about how hard it is to overtake in the same car, if it is Rosberg who can't get past Hamilton (i.e. Canada due to rising brake temperatures).
Nah, Rosberg was just cruising and controlling the gap, as Hamilton did in China. Once Rosberg bolted, Lewis never saw him again. The gap in the end was 8 seconds.PlatinumZealot wrote:Hamiton was the faster car. You dont cut a tyree second gap down to DRS if you are slower. The problem is that Rosberg he same exact car, same tires, same strategist and most of all track position on a track where you cannot follow with the same pace.
Rosberg overtook Hamilton at Bahrain 2014 before Hamilton re-overtook him, so if you want to count Lewis' pass in Bahrain you also have to count Nico's. I also have no idea what you are talking about when mentioning Canada 2014. Lewis jumped Nico in the pits after Nico lost 1.5 seconds in his stop (sticky wheel unit), no on track pass was made.J0rd4n wrote:Not including times when Rosberg runs off the circuit is a completely wrong thing to do because he runs off the track due to the fact Hamilton puts him under pressure, and it removes the opportunity for Lewis to actually prove he can overtake. So Monza 2014 is completely valid. Bahrain 2014. Could also include Canada 2014... until his brakes failed.Kingshark wrote:Hamilton has overtaken Rosberg exactly 4 times when they are together as teammates. Not when Rosberg runs off the circuit, or if he gets a bad start, but an actual on-track overtake.
Monza 2013, Brazil 2013, Japan 2014, USA 2014. Out of these races, at Monza 2013 he was on different tyres and a different strategy.
Rosberg has passed Hamilton 3 times.
India 2013, Korea 2013, and USA 2015. All were done on the same tyres and with the same strategy.
Hence the claim that Hamilton passes Rosberg "far more often" than the other way around isn't completely true.
Do not let the points tally fool you, Rosberg is driving much better than last year. This year he's won more races on merit, and the WDC is only not as close because he's had more bad luck (whereas in 2014 he had less bad luck, until Abu Dhabi).Just_a_fan wrote:Surprised that Rosberg's coaching by his engineer was allowed. Perhaps the thin end of the wedge back to the hand holding that helped him last year.
He was not very in control then, because he allowed Hamilton within DRS zone for several laps and Ham's wing was right on his gearbox at one point. I was watching the timing and when a 2 second gap suddenly emerged, Rosberg's lap times were pretty identical to what he was doing before. It was Hamilton's lap time that disappeared, probably his tyres dropped off after challenging. And you can't look at the gap in the end because Hamilton basically announced he had given up when he came on the radio saying you can't follow, plus once again his tyres died.Kingshark wrote:Nah, Rosberg was just cruising and controlling the gap, as Hamilton did in China. Once Rosberg bolted, Lewis never saw him again. The gap in the end was 8 seconds.PlatinumZealot wrote:Hamiton was the faster car. You dont cut a tyree second gap down to DRS if you are slower. The problem is that Rosberg he same exact car, same tires, same strategist and most of all track position on a track where you cannot follow with the same pace.
This is about moves that have stuck. Nico's move didn't stick, Lewis won in the end. And re-watch Canada. You'll find Lewis jumped him in the pits, Nico retook the lead, then Lewis overtook him again. Regardless it doesn't matter, as I said, this is about challenging for the lead.Kingshark wrote:Rosberg overtook Hamilton at Bahrain 2014 before Hamilton re-overtook him, so if you want to count Lewis' pass in Bahrain you also have to count Nico's. I also have no idea what you are talking about when mentioning Canada 2014. Lewis jumped Nico in the pits after Nico lost 1.5 seconds in his stop (sticky wheel unit), no on track pass was made.J0rd4n wrote:Not including times when Rosberg runs off the circuit is a completely wrong thing to do because he runs off the track due to the fact Hamilton puts him under pressure, and it removes the opportunity for Lewis to actually prove he can overtake. So Monza 2014 is completely valid. Bahrain 2014. Could also include Canada 2014... until his brakes failed.Kingshark wrote:Hamilton has overtaken Rosberg exactly 4 times when they are together as teammates. Not when Rosberg runs off the circuit, or if he gets a bad start, but an actual on-track overtake.
Monza 2013, Brazil 2013, Japan 2014, USA 2014. Out of these races, at Monza 2013 he was on different tyres and a different strategy.
Rosberg has passed Hamilton 3 times.
India 2013, Korea 2013, and USA 2015. All were done on the same tyres and with the same strategy.
Hence the claim that Hamilton passes Rosberg "far more often" than the other way around isn't completely true.
Is correct. After the first stop when Hamilton was right with Rosberg, Vettel was faster than either and closing in. After a couple of laps taking life out of Hamilton's tyres, Rosberg pulled the pin and was swiftly 3 seconds up the road and substantially faster than Vettel.Kingshark wrote:Nah, Rosberg was just cruising and controlling the gap, as Hamilton did in China. Once Rosberg bolted, Lewis never saw him again. The gap in the end was 8 seconds.PlatinumZealot wrote:Hamiton was the faster car. You dont cut a tyree second gap down to DRS if you are slower. The problem is that Rosberg he same exact car, same tires, same strategist and most of all track position on a track where you cannot follow with the same pace.
Lewis didn't overtake Nico, they were going side by side into the chicane and Lewis overtook it as his brakes were cooked.J0rd4n wrote:This is about moves that have stuck. Nico's move didn't stick, Lewis won in the end. And re-watch Canada. You'll find Lewis jumped him in the pits, Nico retook the lead, then Lewis overtook him again.Kingshark wrote:Rosberg overtook Hamilton at Bahrain 2014 before Hamilton re-overtook him, so if you want to count Lewis' pass in Bahrain you also have to count Nico's. I also have no idea what you are talking about when mentioning Canada 2014. Lewis jumped Nico in the pits after Nico lost 1.5 seconds in his stop (sticky wheel unit), no on track pass was made.J0rd4n wrote:
Not including times when Rosberg runs off the circuit is a completely wrong thing to do because he runs off the track due to the fact Hamilton puts him under pressure, and it removes the opportunity for Lewis to actually prove he can overtake. So Monza 2014 is completely valid. Bahrain 2014. Could also include Canada 2014... until his brakes failed.
If we assume Lewis would have finished fourth in Singapore, and Nico first in Russia and Monza, then the gap would be 14 points heading into the final race. And I have not included Lewis being unlucky with the VSC/SC in Monaco, and the team misjudging the gap (he did play a little part so I've not included it but there was some luck involved). Lewis had a 17 point lead going into last year, so based on this he has only driven 3 points better relative to Hamilton than last year. Of course it's all relative though. Rosberg may have turned it up a notch and be driving better, but Hamilton may be too (and judging by qualifying, he is).Kingshark wrote:Do not let the points tally fool you, Rosberg is driving much better than last year. This year he's won more races on merit, and the WDC is only not as close because he's had more bad luck (whereas in 2014 he had less bad luck, until Abu Dhabi).Just_a_fan wrote:Surprised that Rosberg's coaching by his engineer was allowed. Perhaps the thin end of the wedge back to the hand holding that helped him last year.
Hamilton's tyres gave in because of the sustained attacks. Rosberg drove a good race but track psositon was what kept him in the lead as is always the case on a dry Brazil track for whoever is in front.Kingshark wrote:Nah, Rosberg was just cruising and controlling the gap, as Hamilton did in China. Once Rosberg bolted, Lewis never saw him again. The gap in the end was 8 seconds.PlatinumZealot wrote:Hamiton was the faster car. You dont cut a tyree second gap down to DRS if you are slower. The problem is that Rosberg he same exact car, same tires, same strategist and most of all track position on a track where you cannot follow with the same pace.
