2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

[Thunder]

Jost Capito set for April/May start at McLaren:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122539

[Abhi719]

It has been said that 2016 McLaren-Honda F1 Car Will Have 223 HP More Than 2015 Car

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports ... 3-hp-more/

Hope this story is real

[Manoah2u]

that would be awesome

[turbof1]

Unrealistic. That would be an average laptime improvement of almost 4 seconds through engine power alone. There are some things that are very untrue in that article, like this:

In 2015, Honda's internal-combustion F1 engine was down 70 horsepower on its competition and its energy recovery system (ERS), which lets drivers deploy an additional 163 electric horsepower for 33 seconds, was virtually unusable. These engine troubles rendered McLaren-Honda entirely uncompetitive, placing second to last in the constructors championship.

First of all, it got reported multiple times that the ICE was actually great as from Spa, matching the Ferrari's. Secondly, the ERS system definitely weren't unusuable. Yes they had issues with harvesting, but they were able to do it on a lower pace then the competition. Honda was actually able to fully deploy the 160hp during qualifying.

[Juzh]

Honda was actually able to fully deploy the 160hp during qualifying.

Not for entire lap. I specifically remember alonso vs rosberg comparison from spa, where alonso trailed rosberg for something like 30 kmh (300 kmh vs 330kmh) coming into the bus stop chicane.

[hemichromis]

Unrealistic. That would be an average laptime improvement of almost 4 seconds through engine power alone. There are some things that are very untrue in that article, like this:

In 2015, Honda's internal-combustion F1 engine was down 70 horsepower on its competition and its energy recovery system (ERS), which lets drivers deploy an additional 163 electric horsepower for 33 seconds, was virtually unusable. These engine troubles rendered McLaren-Honda entirely uncompetitive, placing second to last in the constructors championship.

First of all, it got reported multiple times that the ICE was actually great as from Spa, matching the Ferrari's. Secondly, the ERS system definitely weren't unusuable. Yes they had issues with harvesting, but they were able to do it on a lower pace then the competition. Honda was actually able to fully deploy the 160hp during qualifying.

They could fully deploy in qualifying but not for the amount of time mercedes could, not even close.

[turbof1]

Honda was actually able to fully deploy the 160hp during qualifying.

Not for entire lap. I specifically remember alonso vs rosberg comparison from spa, where alonso trailed rosberg for something like 30 kmh (300 kmh vs 330kmh) coming into the bus stop chicane.

Yes, I probably should have said it was so in general, with a few circuits still limiting Honda on that front. Certain circuits like Spa and Monza, which maximize consumption and minimize harvesting from the mgu-k, pushed Honda into fully emptying the battery and still having a part of the lap left. Other circuits did not inmediately provided that issue. The issue is the energy recovery from the mgu-h; high speed circuits put higher emphasis on that, even in qualifying.

In the race, it was of course a much bigger issue. However, it's not true either that it was virtually unuseable. If they were able to only use half of the ERS hp, that would put them 80hp down, which seems much more realistic. Combine that with a 20hp down on ICE power, and I think we are more or less at the deficit they have/had.

[GoranF1]

[Scuderia1967]

It has been said that 2016 McLaren-Honda F1 Car Will Have 223 HP More Than 2015 Car

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports ... 3-hp-more/

Hope this story is real

Honda themselves have already denied this

[Redragon]

It has been said that 2016 McLaren-Honda F1 Car Will Have 223 HP More Than 2015 Car

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports ... 3-hp-more/

Hope this story is real

Honda themselves have already denied this

They haven't confirm or denied, they just say to treat it as speculation.

[Andres125sx]

For a technical forum like this, I don´t get the reason people get surprised for media news. We should know they´re not talking to us, but to general public with little knownledge about F1 PUs.

How would you explain in an easy was the improvement Honda PU will see this season? Remember you will talk to people who has no idea what a ERS, mgu-h or turbine are or do.

IMHO saying Honda will improve 223hp is sensationalism, but not more than usually. They need to put a number because that´s what people without technical knownledge understand. And sincerely, it´s not that far off reality, it actually could be true for a big percentage of each lap, maybe/probably not 223hp, but around 200 for sure. 40hp is a very doable improvement for the ICE and Honda problems started when mgu-k stopped working, so if they now can make it work more or less constantly, those 160hp wich in 2015 could only be deployed a small percentage of each lap and now can be (hopefully) deployed constantly must be counted as 2016 improvement

Even if it´s not completely accurate because that will only happen some percentage of each lap, but it will be true for a good percentage of each lap, so I perfectly understand they use that number to explain it

[Scuderia1967]

It has been said that 2016 McLaren-Honda F1 Car Will Have 223 HP More Than 2015 Car

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports ... 3-hp-more/

Hope this story is real

Honda themselves have already denied this

They haven't confirm or denied, they just say to treat it as speculation.

“These reports are unsubstantiated and merely speculative, and we ask fans and media alike to treat them as such.” I read "it's a lie" there...

[trinidefender]

A nice 4 page report of Eric Boullier's role in the McLaren team and some of the many changes he has made since joining.

Would recommend people read it even if they have no interest in McLaren it gives a good insight into what a team principle does in any team.

http://en.f1i.com/magazine/39861-tells- ... llier.html

[Redragon]

Honda themselves have already denied this

They haven't confirm or denied, they just say to treat it as speculation.

“These reports are unsubstantiated and merely speculative, and we ask fans and media alike to treat them as such.” I read "it's a lie" there...[/quote]

They don't say it is not true, they say it is unsubstantiated, so it is a guess from the journalist and they say to treat as speculation that doesn't mean the journalist is wrong or right, could it be 100 hp, 300 hp, no gain or actually 223hp. Time will say if he is right or wrong in results because will never know exactly how much gain

The same journalist is sitting with Alonso manager at Mclaren motor home on Ted's Notebook Brazil, min 14.11 http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... ook-brazil So I would not get what he says from granted as he might had a tip and be into something, he could have been really optimistic but only time will say. From now only speculation.

[GoranF1]

I think its more than 223....