2016 Williams Martini Racing F1 Team - Mercedes

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For the record, I do not want Lewis and Nico to take each other out in crashes or to be reckless in any way. This would be counter-productive to the sport and obviously to Lewis and Nico themselves. I believe most everyone wants to see skill, mental toughness, and clean driving. A comment by Toto late last year, I believe, (I do not have the clip where he said this, although I would like to see the clip again) that Mercedes were at a risk in becoming "the bad guys" or something to that effect by dominating as they are. So there was a suggestion of sorts to unleash their drivers (again, I wish I had the clip). I do not want reckless "unleashing." There was too much of this previously.

Well, why not give Williams and these other smaller outfits the same spec engine, mapping, fuel, or whatever dominating factors they have. These two last years the championship has been lopsided due to such an innovated ICE. If Mercedes were to level the playing field and compete chaises-wise with the other teams, then, it would help develop their car departments (chassis). They have a great engine but are stingy with the latest spec and fuel it seems. Let their engineering depts develop themselves further. They are a relatively huge company compared to Manor, Force India, and Williams, What are they afraid of? Being beat with their own power unit? They already have a great and very innovated chassis as it is, Why do they want it all now that the formula is tilted to their favor?

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I firmly believe that Williams decision to switch focus to the 2016 car early last year will pay dividends this year. If they have got things right then early high points scoring could set them up for a decent season, with an eye to next years major change on regulations, development of this years cars will be cut short by other teams, hoping to get a head start for next year, just like Williams have done for this year.

This would also allow Williams to switch focus early once again themselves, or gamble and develop late into the season to boost their final points tally and surprise everyone with their first wins in a long time and give them an outside chance of sneaking a constructors crown if the Mercedes drivers trip each other up and Ferrari's supposedly radical designs either do not perform or reliability lets them down.

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bidness wrote:What are they afraid of? Being beat with their own power unit?
Very difficult to happen, same spec, same everything..Same everything means giving them the PU to analize and study in correlation to the chassis: what hold the customers to copy everything that they can and switch to another manufacturer, exiting their supply deal? What if they contact a new manufacturer outside F1 (also, with limited testing through '16 and '17)?

We all agree that money ruin almost everything, back in the days there was competition yeah, but not these silly commercial deals that put the show in front of the sport

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diego.liv wrote:
bidness wrote:What are they afraid of? Being beat with their own power unit?
Very difficult to happen, same spec, same everything..Same everything means giving them the PU to analize and study in correlation to the chassis: what hold the customers to copy everything that they can and switch to another manufacturer, exiting their supply deal? What if they contact a new manufacturer outside F1 (also, with limited testing through '16 and '17)?

We all agree that money ruin almost everything, back in the days there was competition yeah, but not these silly commercial deals that put the show in front of the sport
Are you sure about that?

My understanding is (I could be wrong, I just don't know) that the engine supply comes with technicians who guard it or at least seal it somehow. I do not think much is known by the customer teams about the real crucial stuff which makes the unit tick. I believe all they see is the outside stuff.

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It's not a conspiracy that didn't Williams didn't win, they didn't win because they produced a car that was not capable of winning.

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Cold Fussion wrote:It's not a conspiracy that didn't Williams didn't win, they didn't win because they produced a car that was not capable of winning.
Its always a conspiracy when someone's favouritest team in the world doesn't win.

Its not perhaps that Mercedes had a defined 5 year plan, one of the worlds top drivers, integrated PU/chassis development, strong personnel and manufacturer money.... no it must be because they sent the rubbish engines that the "apprentice" practiced on to Williams.
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bidness wrote: Are you sure about that?

My understanding is (I could be wrong, I just don't know) that the engine supply comes with technicians who guard it or at least seal it somehow. I do not think much is known by the customer teams about the real crucial stuff which makes the unit tick. I believe all they see is the outside stuff.
Sorry i didn't elaborate too much: whati was saying is "ofc today they don't get same software, but the rest is pretty much the same spec (barMonza upgrade, but customers agreed with Merc); and yes, there are Merc engineers that guard the PUwhen it's taken to the customer staff..BUT IF Williams were to receive the PU at the tests and keep it for the whole season (taking it back to Groove), they could analize almost everything, it's called 'reverse engneering': no manufacturer (bar an external one, supplier only) would allow that"

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FW38 revealed....
https://twitter.com/WilliamsRacing/stat ... 8685498369 ....I think.....Erm...did they forget to take photos of the new car?
Friendship with Honda ended, Renault is my new (and more reliable) friend.

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i really hoped for a more interesting livery.

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Genworth, Esquire and Kempi are no longer sponsors. Seeing that Blackberry deserted Mercedes too, this seems a very unpleasent trend for 2016: less and less companies interessed in F1

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Hackett gained in exposure though.

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Scuderia1967 wrote:Genworth, Esquire and Kempi are no longer sponsors. Seeing that Blackberry deserted Mercedes too, this seems a very unpleasent trend for 2016: less and less companies interessed in F1
How is there possibly a trend with Puma, TAG Heuer and Chandon joining already, and maybe more to come.

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Sevach wrote:Hackett gained in exposure though.
True, last year they were only on the nose, right?

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ME4ME wrote:
Scuderia1967 wrote:Genworth, Esquire and Kempi are no longer sponsors. Seeing that Blackberry deserted Mercedes too, this seems a very unpleasent trend for 2016: less and less companies interessed in F1
How is there possibly a trend with Puma, TAG Heuer and Chandon joining already, and maybe more to come.
Puma has been in F1 for ages, TAG Heuer too, and Chandon is with McLaren since last year (and the group they belong to have been in F1 for a very long time, too). But I hope there are more to come, honestly!