2016 McLaren F1 Team - Honda

[Chene_Mostert]

What's the next step in terms of PU for McLaren once they accept that this Honda partnership is not working?

[Stalker1]

As far as I am concerned, this partnership with Honda is as good as they are going to get! It seems that the ideal is fully integrated chassis and PU development, but that is only possible with big independent manufacturers like Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault. They are Hondas premium client, but by no means Hondas "factory" team if I am getting it right.

[trinidefender]

You aren't getting it right as pretty much everything they have been saying since the beginning of the partnership contradicts what you are saying.

[McG]

What was all that gold liquid coming from Alonsos radiators when he crashed?

I didn't expect there to be only clear water in radiators but it's an interesting colour.

Here is a good sequence of pictures showing the stuff...

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/bild ... 42961.html

[Sasha]

The Chassis is more the problem at the moment.If Honda gave them 30 more hp for the next race,they couldn't use it because their chassis already is eating tires like crazy.When was the last time you seen Jenson drift at almost every corner? And being that loose just eats your tires!

[McG]

Sasha I think it's too early to even say there is a problem be it chassis or PU. Button admitted they made 2 wrong decisions on the tyres so that's why Button finished poorly.

Why come in with a BS comment like that so early in the season?

[basti313]

Sasha I think it's too early to even say there is a problem be it chassis or PU. Button admitted they made 2 wrong decisions on the tyres so that's why Button finished poorly.

Why come in with a BS comment like that so early in the season?

Because it is an ongoing thing since two years now...some McLaren fans are telling since two years in this forums, that one has to wait to judge the McLaren car.

In my point of view the car is not so bad as some people say. Without the crash and without stupid tire decisions would have ended up in the Top10 and Button ahead of Renaults or Haas.
But it just can not compete with a RedBull or a Torro at the moment. Maybe the FI and the Williams are weak enough to be caught with some updates and good race strategy. So we are more or less back where the mess started two years ago.

[Sasha]

At the moment the MP4-31 is bad on tires. Not BS.....all you have to do is watch the race to see that and the data.
They have a very Loose car! Could come from low downforce ,aero balance , suspension problems or all!

[Sayeman]

The PU seems to be on par with the 2015 Ferrari and the new Renault PU, so blames should't be put solely on Honda this season if the results aren't coming.
Wonder if we will hear the "Best Chassis on the grid" thing again this year.

[kptaylor]

What was all that gold liquid coming from Alonsos radiators when he crashed?

I didn't expect there to be only clear water in radiators but it's an interesting colour.

Here is a good sequence of pictures showing the stuff...

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/bild ... 42961.html

I thought the same! In for an explanation of the fluid color.

[McG]

But it's a new season and new car. Yes it's an evolution pf last yeas car but it is a new car, that's why it is called the 31 and not 30A or B.

There is every reason to believe McLaren will do well in the next race and beyond. It's other teams like Williams who should be worried about dropping back. It's all forward for McLaren from here.

[McG]

I did watch race and I saw Button once getting "Loose" on the exit of the last corner. That doesn't constitute data from a whole race.

It's the first race of the season so give it a rest.

At the moment the MP4-31 is bad on tires. Not BS.....all you have to do is watch the race to see that and the data.
They have a very Loose car! Could come from low downforce ,aero balance , suspension problems or all!

[Soichiro]

I did watch race and I saw Button once getting "Loose" on the exit of the last corner. That doesn't constitute data from a whole race.

It's the first race of the season so give it a rest.

At the moment the MP4-31 is bad on tires. Not BS.....all you have to do is watch the race to see that and the data.
They have a very Loose car! Could come from low downforce ,aero balance , suspension problems or all!

I posted it on other forums and I agree with Sasha. Could be that is bad with SS more and that was a wrong strategy to put them on as with M Button seemed solid. But on SS they were very bad. Look at the first stint Alonso was slowing the cars behind him including Button on S and later Button after completing some 5-6 laps on SS (why the hell did they put SS on - did they have to?) and getting past the Force India started to loose time - up until the -4 sec/lap region before making a pit stop for M.

[GoranF1]

The crash ended well thank God,Jenson was for me disappointingly slow not only in race but troughtout weekend.
Besides the crash did Alonso said anything about his car pace before the incident?

[McG]

Yeah because not being a factory team was bad for Red Bull 4 years in a row.

As far as I am concerned, this partnership with Honda is as good as they are going to get! It seems that the ideal is fully integrated chassis and PU development, but that is only possible with big independent manufacturers like Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault. They are Hondas premium client, but by no means Hondas "factory" team if I am getting it right.