2016 Bahrain Grand Prix - Bahrain, April 01-03

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dans79 wrote:
TheGkbrk wrote:1 second a lap sounds extreme. Merc dramatizing things.
That's what happens when you destroy aero bits, specially important ones. I would not be surprised if it was actually more than a second.
i dont think it was a second... Rosbergs fastest lap was on lap 41 1:34.482 Hamiltons fastest lap was on lap 43 1:34.677 ..
0.195 seconds slower.
the only time Rosberg had an outright pace advantage in the race was from lap 1 to lap 12 it looks like based on the time/lap graph

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AliMadsen wrote:Does anyone know the reason for Palmers retirement?
Hydraulic failure

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A graphical review of the race showing time distance between drivers on track at the end of each lap:

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No competition...

Battle maps show Massa having a miserable time:

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and Vandoorne chasing down several drivers, Massa included:

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/via: http://www.f1datajunkie.com/2016/04/f1- ... story.html

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giantfan10 wrote:
dans79 wrote:
TheGkbrk wrote:1 second a lap sounds extreme. Merc dramatizing things.
That's what happens when you destroy aero bits, specially important ones. I would not be surprised if it was actually more than a second.
i dont think it was a second... Rosbergs fastest lap was on lap 41 1:34.482 Hamiltons fastest lap was on lap 43 1:34.677 ..
0.195 seconds slower.
the only time Rosberg had an outright pace advantage in the race was from lap 1 to lap 12 it looks like based on the time/lap graph
The team isn't referring to the lack of pace in that manner, they are referring to the maximum pace the car is capable of.
In other words if they re ran qualli, or they turned the engines all the way up to maximum Lewis would be a second slower. This is about what I would expect for any car that had the horn ripped off, and had various other aero bits and floor damage.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/337618/
"I had so much damage on the car that I couldn't keep up with Kimi, I was fighting but the rear end was nowhere.
This is about what i would expect, as the flow around the right sidepod and floor, was probably ugly as sin, and leading to a lot of down-force loss at the rear.
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GPR-A wrote:
Chene_Mostert wrote:
GPR-A wrote:Once again, Ferrari would be unable to show their true pace, as the farce set to continue. :lol:

F1 forced to keep elimination qualifying for Bahrain GP
Anyway getting back on topic.
Mercedes will not be let off easy this time.
Again they will cock up the start but this time Ferrari will not make a strategy mistake.
One Merc will retire from the race.

Looking forward to all the GPRA calculations showing Merc should have / could have won the race, but they never showed their pace, kept those 2sec per lap back by carrying bags of sand. Why?
Too bad, the Ferrari FIRE WORKS and BOTTAS BOMB didn't allowed me to enthrall you. As a consolation, all I could say is, even with a damaged car, Lewis kept doing better times than Kimi, even when Lewis was on Mediums and Kimi on softs !!! :lol:

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7 K. RAIKKONEN	44 L. HAMILTON
LAP TIME 	 LAP TIME
1 18:05:27	1 18:05:28
2 1:38.079	2 1:39.207
3 1:38.934	3 1:38.786
4 1:39.062	4 1:38.029
5 1:39.727	5 1:39.272
6 1:39.146	6 1:39.895
7 1:39.114	7 1:39.917
8 1:38.995	8 1:38.992
9 1:38.647	9 1:39.098
10 1:38.981	10 1:39.054
11 1:38.914	11 1:39.437
12 P 1:42.136	12 1:39.592
13 1:58.781	13 P 1:43.018
14 1:36.814	14 1:58.580
15 1:36.761	15 1:37.826
16 1:37.263	16 1:38.811
17 1:37.496	17 1:37.076
18 1:37.313	18 1:37.681
19 1:37.661	19 1:37.428
20 1:37.732	20 1:37.647
21 1:38.096	21 1:37.782
22 1:38.040	22 1:37.844
23 1:37.816	23 1:37.892
24 1:38.020	24 1:37.906
25 1:38.348	25 1:38.293
26 1:38.294	26 1:38.407
27 1:38.345	27 1:38.283
28 1:38.464	28 P 1:41.221
29 P 1:41.332	29 1:56.898
30 1:57.499	30 1:34.721
31 1:35.539	31 1:35.232
32 1:35.564	32 1:35.562
33 1:35.383	33 1:35.797
34 1:35.936	34 1:36.111
35 1:36.283	35 1:36.824
36 1:36.467	36 1:36.784
37 P 1:39.476	37 1:37.040
38 1:56.268	38 1:37.483
39 1:35.158	39 1:37.856
40 1:35.315	40 1:38.176
41 1:35.487	41 P 1:42.181
42 1:35.454	42 1:55.927
43 1:35.620	43 1:34.677
44 1:36.348	44 1:34.946
45 1:35.967	45 1:35.754
46 1:36.272	46 1:35.844
47 1:35.990	47 1:36.327
48 1:36.315	48 1:35.537
49 1:36.166	49 1:35.558
50 1:36.621	50 1:37.154
51 1:36.388	51 1:37.201
52 1:36.551	52 1:37.547
53 1:36.955	53 1:38.297
54 1:37.519	54 1:38.444
55 1:37.683	55 1:38.398
56 1:37.045	56 1:38.769
57 1:41.619	57 1:42.038
Kimi comes out of the pits faster - with 36s - but then seems to lose pace quite quickly.

Question is, given he was going faster and could have gone longer, why bring Lewis in? They said he couldn't keep up with Kimi but that doesn't seem to be true.

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Re starts:

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferra ... 53290&em=1

Arrivabene revealed, however, that the reason for Raikkonen's poor start was that his hand had slipped from the clutch paddle.

"I heard that most probably the finger slipped on the paddle," he said. "It's something that could happen and he got a lot of spin and lost a bit of time. But what he did afterwards was unbelievable."

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dans79 wrote: That's what happens when you destroy aero bits, specially important ones. I would not be surprised if it was actually more than a second.
Very doubtful (To avoid saying: BS). Even a damaged front wing doesn't cost you nearly a second per lap. One damaged barge board: Maybe or 2 tenths. Max.

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Great race, well deserved win to Nico (easy but well deserved) and great fights all over the place from 5th to last.
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Palmer had a hydraulic failure I think
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Hydraulic leak.
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henra wrote:
dans79 wrote: That's what happens when you destroy aero bits, specially important ones. I would not be surprised if it was actually more than a second.
Very doubtful (To avoid saying: BS). Even a damaged front wing doesn't cost you nearly a second per lap. One damaged barge board: Maybe or 2 tenths. Max.
You are kidding right? Take a look at the photos. The wing, turning vanes and side of the floor were all damaged. I believe the one second claimed by Merc. Rosberg was just hiding his pace. For Hamilton he at at the limit but had to fall back near the tail end of the race.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
henra wrote:
dans79 wrote: That's what happens when you destroy aero bits, specially important ones. I would not be surprised if it was actually more than a second.
Very doubtful (To avoid saying: BS). Even a damaged front wing doesn't cost you nearly a second per lap. One damaged barge board: Maybe or 2 tenths. Max.
You are kidding right? Take a look at the photos. The wing, turning vanes and side of the floor were all damaged. I believe the one second claimed by Merc. Rosberg was just hiding his pace. For Hamilton he at at the limit but had to fall back near the tail end of the race.
Rosberg in the radio was yelling something like "i don't want to know the gap between me and kimi, don't tell me anymore". He was pushing man
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Why couldn't have Mercedes just turned on full power and blasted by Kimi? After all they are playing to the crowd to keep matters entertaining?

Maybe dial it back a little once second place was secure?

And any reason why they are not showing the amount of fuel used these days on the TV?

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evered7 wrote: And any reason why they are not showing the amount of fuel used these days on the TV?
Same reason there is less team radio now. The FIA & FOM seem hell bent on giving fans LESS access to the sport. Same reason SKY get the exclusive TV rights from 2019 onwards.

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Maybe Rosberg wasnt really pushing, actually surely he wasnt. But some people are going to tell me Raikkonen was pushing once Vettels engine blew up (and his as well at last race) ?
Cmon, they are walking on the egg shells with this PU.