2016 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, Apr 15 - 17

[jknights]

Kvyat did make a back out or crash move.

You mean just like Vettel used to do when he drove for RedBull.

[RZS10]

Kvyat did make a back out or crash move.

and he admitted it before the podium ceremony.

(this is from a german transcript, so translated twice from english to german and back, might be slightly off)

Vettel: "I gotta ask, what did you do at the start? If I keep to the same line, all three of us are out"
Kwjat: "well, yea..."
Vettel: "No, not 'yea'. You came in like a torpedo."
Kwjat: "This is Racing."
Vettel: "Racing... If I keep going in the same line, we crash"
Kwjat: "Well don't keep going..."
Vettel: "There was another car to my left. That's why i hit it."
Kwjat: "I can't see three cars, i only have two eyes - for two cars."
Vettel: "Then we crash."
Kwjat: "Well we did not crash."
Vettel: "Well, you didn't. I know you say it's racing, but if you attack like a madman, you damage cars. I had damage, Kimi had damage."
Kwjat: "But I am on the podium so it's alright. You are on the podium as well."

[Sevach]

Kvyat did make a back out or crash move.

You mean just like Vettel used to do when he drove for RedBull.

Even if that were correct... what does it have to do with the topic being discussed?

Seriously

[matt_b]

It wasn't his fault that Hamilton had to start dead last, but let's face it, he's not good at risk management. Had he started from the pits, he'd be around 10th after the safety car, and with no damage to the car would've finished the race in 2nd easy.

Well it's a case of banking on a safety car to make up the time lost from the pit lane or banking on a decent start and avoiding contact. I'd say the latter is more controlled by himself than the other option, unfortunately today a racing incident occurred.

And to his delight, he should be happy with the launch he got. He passed 3 cars within few meters and actually a much better start than Nico's.

Good start but all starts are variable with the new rules, next race it could be another shocker with damage into turn one for the 4th race in a row, takes the spice off pole but that's a good thing.

[dans79]

Kwjat: "But I am on the podium so it's alright. You are on the podium as well."

I'd seriously like to find him and force feed him a knuckle sandwich!

[FoxHound]

Most of it is coming from the chassis. Marko confirmed in SKY DE interview after race. They are able to run low downforce setups and still be competetive in corners. Also the car is a bomb when it comes to braking. Nontheless the Renault PU also improved, but not in peak power, but driveability. Better peak power will come in Canada or maybe earlier (also Markos words).

Chassis improvements of this level are completely unheard of.

Kinda like Mercedes adding an extra 100bhp from Bahrain to China.

[Fulcrum]

You'd think Kvyat had pulled a Maldonado/2012-Grosjean here. Kvyat drove through fresh air to take that place.

Raikkonen locked a brake, ran wide, started drifting back onto a line that he no longer solely occupied. Vettel moved slightly left mid-corner at the same time, and there was contact; that's racing.

The fact that Vettel moved left as a result of Kvyat is not Kvyat's fault or worth his time worrying about. Vettel didn't need to brake or move that much, there was a fairly substantial gap between them throughout the incident, by 1st corner standards, which will be reflected by the footage once everyone calms down and actually assesses what happened rationally, as opposed to emotively.

This was a racing incident, pure and simple.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Most of it is coming from the chassis. Marko confirmed in SKY DE interview after race. They are able to run low downforce setups and still be competetive in corners. Also the car is a bomb when it comes to braking. Nontheless the Renault PU also improved, but not in peak power, but driveability. Better peak power will come in Canada or maybe earlier (also Markos words).

Chassis improvements of this level are completely unheard of.

Kinda like Mercedes adding an extra 100bhp from Bahrain to China.

No doubt the Red Bull is good and hopefully the next PU upgrade helps them move even forward. But as for today's race is concerned, Rosberg passed Ricciardo like he was never there. So, Rosberg had no issues following and overtaking that Red Bull and I think the Ferraris would have done the same too if that was a normal race. Vettel ran for most part with a damaged front wing, but still ended up ahead of Kvyat. I don't think the chassis is equalizing a 50BHP sort of deficit. It might do to the extent of 20 or atmost 30 BHP.

Williams !!! What a shambolic car they have.

[jknights]

Kvyat did make a back out or crash move.

You mean just like Vettel used to do when he drove for RedBull.

Even if that were correct... what does it have to do with the topic being discussed?

Seriously

People used to complain about the aggressive style of Vettel when he drove for Red Bull. Now someone else drives in this style Vettel complains.
It is directly relevant to the topic! We are discussing the incident at first turn where Kyvatt caused Vettel to take avoiding action and drove into Kimi.
If you dont understand the similarity between this and what Vettel used to do then you are not being objective in your viewing of the situation. IMHO.

[jknights]

Kwjat: "But I am on the podium so it's alright. You are on the podium as well."

I'd seriously like to find him and force feed him a knuckle sandwich!

I think this is called sarcasm.

The situation is somewhat ironic if you remember F1 history.

[iotar__]

Of course Vettel prefers to focus on start move instead of his own performance =D> . Kvyat had little control but the fact is that bad driving like that is common, accepted and awarded. Far worse cases weren't penalised (Ricciardo - Rosberg Hun '15 and many more) or even investigated (Raikkonen sending Maldo into wall in Aus '15).

Vettel himself often drives like that, vs Hulkenberg Canada '15 was equally suicidal. Bad driving is OK as long as I can get away with murder because I'm driving Ferrari. I suggest looking for the nearest mirror in search of answers of China failure.

[gandharva]

No doubt the Red Bull is good and hopefully the next PU upgrade helps them move even forward. But as for today's race is concerned, Rosberg passed Ricciardo like he was never there.

Overtaking a car with a puncture is surely a sign of a totally superior car.
Btw. I'm not stating that RBR is already at Merc level. The Merc engine is far to strong, and probably will be even after Cananda, but I'm quite sure that RedBull currently hast the stongest chassis on grid.

[henra]

kvy-vet-rai is a fist lap racing incident imo and vettel should drop it now.

Fully agreed!
Kvyat went for a gap that temporarily opened. He managed to make the corner so it was not a totally unrealistic attempt, although a bit optimistic and relying on Vettel avoiding a crash at all costs (knowing that Vettel has to keep the Championship in mind while he has not). He had to open up a bit after the apex so it was indeed a bit borderline. Vettel had no place to go once Kimi closed the wedge between him and Kvyat.
A somewhat optimistic move by Kvyat but altogether something one would call: Racing incident.

[ismail1991]

For me, the real loser of the first lap incident is Hamilton. Sauber in front of him (Nasr or Ericson I' am not sure which one) overreacted to Kimi and hit hamilton pretty bad. The worst part is front wing came under the car and damaged the floor. In addition, as Hamilton suggested there were some suspension damage . He even could not overtake Williams in a straight line which are for me the 5 th or 6 th fastest team

[Just_a_fan]

Most of it is coming from the chassis. Marko confirmed in SKY DE interview after race. They are able to run low downforce setups and still be competetive in corners. Also the car is a bomb when it comes to braking. Nontheless the Renault PU also improved, but not in peak power, but driveability. Better peak power will come in Canada or maybe earlier (also Markos words).

Chassis improvements of this level are completely unheard of.

Kinda like Mercedes adding an extra 100bhp from Bahrain to China.

Sounds like RedBull back to form - claiming any improvements are only ever car related.