2016 German Grand Prix - Hockenheim, 29-31 July

[Racer X]

I want Nico to win purely because I want to see a challenge going into the Summer break.

Bugger that, I want a Ricciardo win to really spice things up!

Hahaha In that case I want a Hamilton DNF a Nico 3rd place a Sebastián 2nd and a Ricciardo 1st.

I totally agree!

[siskue2005]

Raining in Koln today. WIll it rain at Hockenheim I wonder?

On my weather app it is shoeing rain at hockenheim now. Still 5 hours to go

[djos]

I want Nico to win purely because I want to see a challenge going into the Summer break.

Bugger that, I want a Ricciardo win to really spice things up!

Hahaha In that case I want a Hamilton DNF a Nico 3rd place a Sebastián 2nd and a Ricciardo 1st.

I totally agree!

Works for me!

[GPR-A duplicate2]

including Hamilton's Mercedes way past its capabilities.

Physically impossible. That goes for every single driver that has ever existed.

I am not sure what is physically impossible means. But my reference is, when you look at all those poles that Lewis got against Nico, IF it wasn't for Lewis, we would have all believed that Nico's laps WERE THE MAXIMUM that those cars would have done. Which fortunately, wasn't true. Similarly, when you see Alonso out qualifying Jenson most of the times, IF it wasn't for Alonso, we would have felt Jenson's times were maximum.

So, it is natural that some of the fastest drivers on the grid, could take the cars a couple of tenths faster than most others. Where Vettel has a history of struggling in average cars, Lewis and Alonso have proved to get the best available out of their cars compared to their team mate, even when the cars were difficult to drive. So, it is with this logic that I would say Alonso would have done better than Kimi in the same car (there is a proof of that for a full year of 2014 with 16 to 3 in Alonso's favor and in 2015, it was 15 to 4 in Vettel's favor). Would Alonso do any better than Lewis, in qualifying? Based on 2007, I don't think so.

SF16-H is a difficult car and it shows with Vettel struggling (trying to overdrive) to handle it.

I wish it rains for the race. [-o<

[sosic2121]

That's for both the drivers. If Rai is performing better than Vet, that's the case, not 'he is making Rai look good' that you're on about. His pace was quite strong in Hungary as well.

Put back Alonso in that dog, he would still drag it further than Raikkonen, making Kimi look ordinary again. I am damn sure of it.

Regarding Alonso, I've said multiple times he is the best out there and probably can drag ANY car, including Hamilton's Mercedes way past its capabilities. So let's not start that argument again.
They have to be judged based upon which team they're in, not on speculation. And Rai definitely has been performing well in the past few races, looking forward to today's race and the ones coming up as well.

I think Hungary was Kimi's best race this whole year. He was great! Shame he lost his wing and with that any chance to overtake.
But sometimes he should be little bit more aggressive (like he was in Russia 2015 even if he made mistake).

And Alonso would also beat Vettel Ferrari. By far the best driver.

[ClarkBT11]

We really need an Alonso ying yang thread for a few members to go and talk in.

So maybe with a large bit of luck we can leave the race threads for the actual race were ( supposed to be) discussing.

[ChrisDanger]

including Hamilton's Mercedes way past its capabilities.

Physically impossible. That goes for every single driver that has ever existed.

I am not sure what is physically impossible means.

Let's leave the drivers out of this for a moment. All SectorOne is saying is that you cannot drive a car faster than it can go. So ds.raikkonen's claim that anyone can drive a car "way past its capabilities" is simply untrue, by mere logic, and shows just how ridiculous the fanboy ying-yang gets around here sometimes.

[sosic2121]

Both Williams and FIs setting the same time in q3.
Is it fair to say FI is better with tires?

[komninosm]

I want Nico to win purely because I want to see a challenge going into the Summer break.

Bugger that, I want a Ricciardo win to really spice things up!

Hahaha In that case I want a Hamilton DNF a Nico 3rd place a Sebastián 2nd and a Ricciardo 1st.

I totally agree!

You have to consider that Hamilton is out of engines and will take a penalty in a race to come. So Rosberg has a "secret" points advantage, doesn't have to win Germany or he's doomed.
Also Rosberg will probably win Germany if he stays ahead on start, as Hamilton will not even try to stay close, far less try to overtake with his aged engine.
So wishing Hamilton a DNF is actually going to decrease the challenge going into summer break or whatever.

[siskue2005]

Bugger that, I want a Ricciardo win to really spice things up!

Hahaha In that case I want a Hamilton DNF a Nico 3rd place a Sebastián 2nd and a Ricciardo 1st.

I totally agree!

You have to consider that Hamilton is out of engines and will take a penalty in a race to come. So Rosberg has a "secret" points advantage, doesn't have to win Germany or he's doomed.
Also Rosberg will probably win Germany if he stays ahead on start, as Hamilton will not even try to stay close, far less try to overtake with his aged engine.
So wishing Hamilton a DNF is actually going to decrease the challenge going into summer break or whatever.

Plz don't feed the trolls

[George-Jung]

including Hamilton's Mercedes way past its capabilities.

Physically impossible. That goes for every single driver that has ever existed.

I am not sure what is physically impossible means. But my reference is, when you look at all those poles that Lewis got against Nico, IF it wasn't for Lewis, we would have all believed that Nico's laps WERE THE MAXIMUM that those cars would have done. Which fortunately, wasn't true. Similarly, when you see Alonso out qualifying Jenson most of the times, IF it wasn't for Alonso, we would have felt Jenson's times were maximum.

So, it is natural that some of the fastest drivers on the grid, could take the cars a couple of tenths faster than most others. Where Vettel has a history of struggling in average cars, Lewis and Alonso have proved to get the best available out of their cars compared to their team mate, even when the cars were difficult to drive. So, it is with this logic that I would say Alonso would have done better than Kimi in the same car (there is a proof of that for a full year of 2014 with 16 to 3 in Alonso's favor and in 2015, it was 15 to 4 in Vettel's favor). Would Alonso do any better than Lewis, in qualifying? Based on 2007, I don't think so.

SF16-H is a difficult car and it shows with Vettel struggling (trying to overdrive) to handle it.

I wish it rains for the race. [-o<

Who says that it can't be even faster than Hamilton's pole times?

Perhaps (pure fiction) Vettel could do even better, but is doesn't matter, he js not driving the Mercedes.. Hamilton and Rosberg are.

[Restomaniac]

Bugger that, I want a Ricciardo win to really spice things up!

Hahaha In that case I want a Hamilton DNF a Nico 3rd place a Sebastián 2nd and a Ricciardo 1st.

I totally agree!

You have to consider that Hamilton is out of engines and will take a penalty in a race to come. So Rosberg has a "secret" points advantage, doesn't have to win Germany or he's doomed.
Also Rosberg will probably win Germany if he stays ahead on start, as Hamilton will not even try to stay close, far less try to overtake with his aged engine.
So wishing Hamilton a DNF is actually going to decrease the challenge going into summer break or whatever.

Hamilton will take 4 of each component in Spa IMHO (1 each in FP1,FP2,FP3 and Qualy). He will then be sorted for the season.
The question that then needs answering is can Rosberg make his last for the rest of the season when Hamilton can keep his systems turned up to 11?

It may end up that Rosberg will need to take a penalty and Hamilton will get those 'secret' points back later anyway.

[Sonador]

Does somebody have sectortimes of Q3?

http://www.fia.com/file/45993/download?token=05hC3iTB

Thank you sir!!

[lebesset]

Apparently Nico was fueled for 3 timed laps in case they were needed, so he got his pole with two extra laps worth of fuel on-board.

nico was actually fuelled for 2 timed laps with a slow lap in between
great lap anyway , first time he has beaten lewis this season in a straight fight

[basti313]

Hahaha In that case I want a Hamilton DNF a Nico 3rd place a Sebastián 2nd and a Ricciardo 1st.

I totally agree!

You have to consider that Hamilton is out of engines and will take a penalty in a race to come. So Rosberg has a "secret" points advantage, doesn't have to win Germany or he's doomed.
Also Rosberg will probably win Germany if he stays ahead on start, as Hamilton will not even try to stay close, far less try to overtake with his aged engine.
So wishing Hamilton a DNF is actually going to decrease the challenge going into summer break or whatever.

Hamilton will take 4 of each component in Spa IMHO (1 each in FP1,FP2,FP3 and Qualy). He will then be sorted for the season.
The question that then needs answering is can Rosberg make his last for the rest of the season when Hamilton can keep his systems turned up to 11?

It may end up that Rosberg will need to take a penalty and Hamilton will get those 'secret' points back later anyway.

Not really: They can not mount new parts between FP1 and FP2 and this will not be necessary.
They have two possible ways to go:
1. Mount a spare engine with turbo and MGU-H number 6 before FP1, mount race engine number 4 and with turbo and MGU-H number 7 before FP3. That would leave him in Spa with the same number of engines and parts like Ros. If they do the stunt at Monza, they could get another engine (number 6).

2. As he is good on engines, they could go for a new MGU-H in Spa and reuse the turbos (only the MGU-H was damaged, the turbo was exchanged as it is mounted to the MGU-H). That would leave them with with only one +10.

In both cases he would not have an advantage over Rosberg. My guess would be, that they go for Number 2 and try to finish the season with one MGU-H less....or wait for a Q1 crash/defect. According to the lifetimes we saw last year, it should be easily possible to finish the season with 4 MGU-H in a Merc.