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Shakeman wrote:
Anthropolyte wrote:Alonso back out despite that "misfire"... wonder if they just shut off a couple of cylinders.
And why would they do that?
No idea. But I know they can do it. Maybe just a test.

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bonjon1979 wrote:That's the lap record gone. Well, actually, it's faster than the 2010 pole, I think massa did a quicker time at one point in testing. Interestingly, I don't think ferrari are out of touch with that time. They're only 1,8 away on the mediums so you'd have to think they'd get down there on the SS. I feel that Merc are still out in front but that Ferrari aren't too far off it.
Yeah, fastest in testing 2008 was 1.18.3 by Massa, so the unofficial quickest for this layout is still a bit away

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bonjon1979 wrote:That's the lap record gone. Well, actually, it's faster than the 2010 pole, I think massa did a quicker time at one point in testing. Interestingly, I don't think ferrari are out of touch with that time. They're only 1,8 away on the mediums so you'd have to think they'd get down there on the SS. I feel that Merc are still out in front but that Ferrari aren't too far off it.
Felipe Massa set a time of 1:18.339 during 2008 F1 testing using Ferrari F2008.
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f1316 wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:GA:
Mario Andretti used to say that the ground effect Lotus 79 was painted to the ground. Well, exiting Turn 2 and into Turn 3, where I am watching, both the Mercedes and the Ferrari look like they are painted to the ground. But, to me, Ferrari has used a better undercoat. It really does look good and super consistent.
http://www.autosport.com/live/commentar ... -day-three

it s GA, so maybe all hope is false.
As much as we can't draw too many conclusions just yet, I haven't heard anyone (GA included) say that about a Ferrari in a while :)
Nico mentioned it too, that Ferrari looks solid, of course he added it's too early to judge, but still...
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bonjon1979 wrote:That's the lap record gone. Well, actually, it's faster than the 2010 pole, I think massa did a quicker time at one point in testing. Interestingly, I don't think ferrari are out of touch with that time. They're only 1,8 away on the mediums so you'd have to think they'd get down there on the SS. I feel that Merc are still out in front but that Ferrari aren't too far off it.
I seriously doubt that the Merc is flat out.
Sauber are only 2 seconds behind the Merc. That's a Sauber with a year old Ferrari engine in it.

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Gerhardsa wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:That's the lap record gone. Well, actually, it's faster than the 2010 pole, I think massa did a quicker time at one point in testing. Interestingly, I don't think ferrari are out of touch with that time. They're only 1,8 away on the mediums so you'd have to think they'd get down there on the SS. I feel that Merc are still out in front but that Ferrari aren't too far off it.
Yeah, fastest in testing 2008 was 1.18.3 by Massa, so the unofficial quickest for this layout is still a bit away
Times during winter testing are always faster than the times later in the season. The time of Massa needs to be the reference point.

Still, it is only the third day. Next week the teams are bound to bring upgrades and there is probably more to be found with the cars in their current state. I do not deem it impossible that the lap record falls.
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turbof1 wrote:
Gerhardsa wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:That's the lap record gone. Well, actually, it's faster than the 2010 pole, I think massa did a quicker time at one point in testing. Interestingly, I don't think ferrari are out of touch with that time. They're only 1,8 away on the mediums so you'd have to think they'd get down there on the SS. I feel that Merc are still out in front but that Ferrari aren't too far off it.
Yeah, fastest in testing 2008 was 1.18.3 by Massa, so the unofficial quickest for this layout is still a bit away
Times during winter testing are always faster than the times later in the season. The time of Massa needs to be the reference point.

Still, it is only the third day. Next week the teams are bound to bring upgrades and there is probably more to be found with the cars in their current state. I do not deem it impossible that the lap record falls.
Yeah I recall Merc saying they'll put the hammer down during the last week of Winter testing. It could be a bluff though...

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To be honest I'd be surprised if someone doesn't break into the 17's.

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PhillipM wrote:To be honest I'd be surprised if someone doesn't break into the 17's.
I don't think that's going to happen. It looks like the softest two compounds aren't quite lasting a lap around Barcelona which is a very high deg track.

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FrukostScones wrote:GA:
Mario Andretti used to say that the ground effect Lotus 79 was painted to the ground. Well, exiting Turn 2 and into Turn 3, where I am watching, both the Mercedes and the Ferrari look like they are painted to the ground. But, to me, Ferrari has used a better undercoat. It really does look good and super consistent.
http://www.autosport.com/live/commentar ... -day-three

it s GA, so maybe all hope is false.
Is Gary Anderson notorious for his bad conclusions?
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1:19.7 now from Bottas on Ultrasofts.
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GA:
I know the Mercedes has broken into the 1m19s bracket on super-softs, but watching at the fast Turn 9 right-hander the Ferrari doing 1m21s on mediums still looks the most impressive car to me. It just looks so stable and consistent.
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CriXus wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:GA:
Mario Andretti used to say that the ground effect Lotus 79 was painted to the ground. Well, exiting Turn 2 and into Turn 3, where I am watching, both the Mercedes and the Ferrari look like they are painted to the ground. But, to me, Ferrari has used a better undercoat. It really does look good and super consistent.
http://www.autosport.com/live/commentar ... -day-three

it s GA, so maybe all hope is false.
Is Gary Anderson notorious for his bad conclusions?
If the car is not on the limit even the manor will look super consistent.

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BosF1 wrote:
Gerhardsa wrote:Except if you do a 1,20.1 (Bottas just now), which is 0.2 of the lap record ? (well absolute fastest lap on the layout)
These cars are brutally fast

ohh wait.
Aparently Massa did a 1:18.339 in 2008 Testing.
So 1.7 seconds away from that...
Was the chicane before the last corner there yet in 2008?
First year was 2007.

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the Willimas seems to pretty handle very well, looks good and fast
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