2017 F1 general testing thread

[Wass85]

Ted does nothing buy irritate me, he's forever trying to get a rise out of drivers and team principals. Already trying to stir the pot with Wolff and Hamilton.

[f1316]

Ted Kravitz's development corner video has some interesting details

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... st-1-day-4

Good photos of the different diffusers

Maybe Pat Symonds can help Ted out with these in the future - I mean, I quite like him, but he doesn't really know what he's talking about (everything's a 'nice aero detail'!)

I think Ted dumbs thing's down a great deal, he cannot spend that much time in the pits and not learn a thing or two. I like to read between the lines and add what he says to the rest of the information I am able to find and often am able to work out "news" before it hits the press.

Ted often blunders across little snippets that when added to the bigger picture reveals thing's for me. You should not take his apparent ineptitude for dimwittedness.

No, fair enough, but think it would be nice if he was joined by someone technical when he does development corner - for a bit more clarity in the detail - and since Symonds is joining the sky team seems like a good fit.

[GhostF1]

I think it's fair to say the McLaren won't be winning any races this year.

In the same way Renault, Toro Rosso, Force India, Sauber, Haas and Williams probably won't be winning any races either without any unfortunate circumstances for the top runners...

I am getting the impression this year will be another step forward for McLaren. Keen to see how the new Honda engine spec acts during Test 2. I think it's fair to say we'll see a healthy boost in times.

Big difference is Mclaren are known as one of the big 4, the press like to build them up when the facts are no team are given a right to win, you have to go out there and earn it.

If we are talking sheer size, I'd put Renault right up there now for budget and workforce size. But I understand what you mean about McLaren being a top 4.
I actually cannot stand 90% of the media reports regarding McLaren. It's all snide remarks. They never talk positive or with constructive criticism, it's all rubbish mockery reporting. That includes Ted. He just rolls his eyes most of the time and puts in a dodgy remark mocking the state of the team which he wouldn't actually know anyway.
Where's the huge headlines of Renault having blown up a couple power units with Toro Rosso or having some issues that sidelined Redbull for a majority of a test day and the same also for the RS17, kind of signifies Renault's new PU has a probably even more teething issues than Honda to be frank.. and it isn't a simple oil tank problem..what about Hamilton nearly having a big off in the W08 or Stroll having a crash and Sainz also going off. Literally one thing happens at McLaren and it's a miserable overexaggerated headline... Where's the professionalism for god sake.. it's just tiring to read "doomsday for McLaren" everyday because a Honda staff member has a cold.
Sorry rant over.

[GhostF1]

Ted Kravitz's development corner video has some interesting details

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... st-1-day-4

Good photos of the different diffusers

Maybe Pat Symonds can help Ted out with these in the future - I mean, I quite like him, but he doesn't really know what he's talking about (everything's a 'nice aero detail'!)

I think Ted dumbs thing's down a great deal, he cannot spend that much time in the pits and not learn a thing or two. I like to read between the lines and add what he says to the rest of the information I am able to find and often am able to work out "news" before it hits the press.

Ted often blunders across little snippets that when added to the bigger picture reveals thing's for me. You should not take his apparent ineptitude for dimwittedness.

I want to agree with you that he must pick up a thing or two hanging around the pits so often but he just seems to panda to the top teams, (easy way to look smarter than you are). My favourite recent example is in development corner he applauds Mercedes greatly for having the mirror glass not occupy the whole mirror housing...... "Very very clever aero detail here".... Just lol.

[Cold Fussion]

Ted Kravitz's development corner video has some interesting details

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... st-1-day-4

Good photos of the different diffusers

Maybe Pat Symonds can help Ted out with these in the future - I mean, I quite like him, but he doesn't really know what he's talking about (everything's a 'nice aero detail'!)

One has to remember that Ted has a degree in politics and not anything relevant to engineering.

[f1316]

Ted Kravitz's development corner video has some interesting details

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... st-1-day-4

Good photos of the different diffusers

Maybe Pat Symonds can help Ted out with these in the future - I mean, I quite like him, but he doesn't really know what he's talking about (everything's a 'nice aero detail'!)

One has to remember that Ted has a degree in politics and not anything relevant to engineering.

Exactly, so get a tech guy to help him with the analysis of chassis development!

[Wass85]

In the same way Renault, Toro Rosso, Force India, Sauber, Haas and Williams probably won't be winning any races either without any unfortunate circumstances for the top runners...

I am getting the impression this year will be another step forward for McLaren. Keen to see how the new Honda engine spec acts during Test 2. I think it's fair to say we'll see a healthy boost in times.

Big difference is Mclaren are known as one of the big 4, the press like to build them up when the facts are no team are given a right to win, you have to go out there and earn it.

If we are talking sheer size, I'd put Renault right up there now for budget and workforce size. But I understand what you mean about McLaren being a top 4.
I actually cannot stand 90% of the media reports regarding McLaren. It's all snide remarks. They never talk positive or with constructive criticism, it's all rubbish mockery reporting. That includes Ted. He just rolls his eyes most of the time and puts in a dodgy remark mocking the state of the team which he wouldn't actually know anyway.
Where's the huge headlines of Renault having blown up a couple power units with Toro Rosso or having some issues that sidelined Redbull for a majority of a test day and the same also for the RS17, kind of signifies Renault's new PU has a probably even more teething issues than Honda to be frank.. and it isn't a simple oil tank problem..what about Hamilton nearly having a big off in the W08 or Stroll having a crash and Sainz also going off. Literally one thing happens at McLaren and it's a miserable overexaggerated headline... Where's the professionalism for god sake.. it's just tiring to read "doomsday for McLaren" everyday because a Honda staff member has a cold.
Sorry rant over.

Yep I know what you're saying, the sport stands still for nobody. Another thing that irritates me is the likes of Kravitz and Co who insist something is wrong at Ferrari just because they are not winning. They aren't doing anything wrong it's just Mercedes are doing an exceptional job by being the team to beat. They don't automatically have to be doing a bad job just because they are not winning.....

[Blackout]

I actually cannot stand 90% of the media reports regarding McLaren. It's all snide remarks. They never talk positive or with constructive criticism, it's all rubbish mockery reporting. That includes Ted. He just rolls his eyes most of the time and puts in a dodgy remark mocking the state of the team which he wouldn't actually know anyway.
Where's the huge headlines of Renault having blown up a couple power units with Toro Rosso or having some issues that sidelined Redbull for a majority of a test day and the same also for the RS17, kind of signifies Renault's new PU has a probably even more teething issues than Honda to be frank.. and it isn't a simple oil tank problem..

Here you are acting like the bad medias you criticize , exaggerating, oversimplifying and mixing everything together

[Phil]

I like Ted. I understand the criticism that is posted here to a degree, but i al also thankful for speaking in "layman terms". Not everyone who follows f1 is an engineer or has a technical background. His notebook is also a lot more informative than what i get to see on any other broadcasts (swiss, austrian, rtl etc).

[zac510]

You lot would also murder Ted if he said "this part creates a vortex" and it turns out that it doesn't so he's kind of damned if he does and damned if he doesn't speculate!

Back on topic of the wet practice from a few dozen pages ago, it might have seemed useless but it was a good bit of arse covering and to save the teams from themselves. As it is, they've had the chance to run them so if they didn't do any wet laps last week, they can't complain if it's wet in Australia and they have to run their first laps on a brand new tyre in the middle of a race.

(is that enough pessimism for one post?)

[taperoo2k]

Big difference is Mclaren are known as one of the big 4, the press like to build them up when the facts are no team are given a right to win, you have to go out there and earn it.

If we are talking sheer size, I'd put Renault right up there now for budget and workforce size. But I understand what you mean about McLaren being a top 4.
I actually cannot stand 90% of the media reports regarding McLaren. It's all snide remarks. They never talk positive or with constructive criticism, it's all rubbish mockery reporting. That includes Ted. He just rolls his eyes most of the time and puts in a dodgy remark mocking the state of the team which he wouldn't actually know anyway.
Where's the huge headlines of Renault having blown up a couple power units with Toro Rosso or having some issues that sidelined Redbull for a majority of a test day and the same also for the RS17, kind of signifies Renault's new PU has a probably even more teething issues than Honda to be frank.. and it isn't a simple oil tank problem..what about Hamilton nearly having a big off in the W08 or Stroll having a crash and Sainz also going off. Literally one thing happens at McLaren and it's a miserable overexaggerated headline... Where's the professionalism for god sake.. it's just tiring to read "doomsday for McLaren" everyday because a Honda staff member has a cold.
Sorry rant over.

Yep I know what you're saying, the sport stands still for nobody. Another thing that irritates me is the likes of Kravitz and Co who insist something is wrong at Ferrari just because they are not winning. They aren't doing anything wrong it's just Mercedes are doing an exceptional job by being the team to beat. They don't automatically have to be doing a bad job just because they are not winning.....

It's part and parcel of F1, create drama where there is none. Whenever Mercedes gets a real chink in it's armour you can expect Kravitz and co go all out on that one (I was surprised they didn't get more hysterical over Lewis's bad luck with reliability last year). Until the McLaren Honda Partnership starts delivering better results, they will remain the paddock's whipping post.

So far in terms of testing ? So far so good for a lot of the teams. Suspect we may have a better idea of the early pecking order by the end of the second test. But as ever with F1, the goods likely won't be shown until Qualifying and Race Day.
All eyes will be on McLaren and Honda no doubt, meaning little details from the other teams might get missed.

[radosav]

https://youtu.be/JqVpuowpM7A
That red bull at 1:25 wow

[Wass85]

https://youtu.be/JqVpuowpM7A
That red bull at 1:25 wow

It looks like a rocket, I wouldn't be surprised to see them fastest at Melbourne.

[EvilPhil II]

Anyone know if the circuit during winter testing sells any drink and food anywhere?

[GhostF1]

I actually cannot stand 90% of the media reports regarding McLaren. It's all snide remarks. They never talk positive or with constructive criticism, it's all rubbish mockery reporting. That includes Ted. He just rolls his eyes most of the time and puts in a dodgy remark mocking the state of the team which he wouldn't actually know anyway.
Where's the huge headlines of Renault having blown up a couple power units with Toro Rosso or having some issues that sidelined Redbull for a majority of a test day and the same also for the RS17, kind of signifies Renault's new PU has a probably even more teething issues than Honda to be frank.. and it isn't a simple oil tank problem..

Here you are acting like the bad medias you criticize , exaggerating, oversimplifying and mixing everything together

Haha! That's laughable. I actually think I underplayed the truth. Let's be honest. Honda might have issues at the moment but it's a joke the media doesn't put the spotlight on anyone else having issues. Can you imagine if it was Honda with a PU failure on film day less than 100km's in, not Toro Rosso... God the reports would be even worse than they are now. I wouldn't care as much if they bothered reporting on the fixes or plans Honda have in store. The focus is too much on the negative and I personally think it hurts the sport by creating fury amongst its fans that don't get to see forums like this or hear from people like Wazari. It's my main qualm at the moment. There's creating theatre and drama, then there's just bad journalism ..