2017 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, April 14-16

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LionKing wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:53
Phil wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:34
So Ham did lose pole on his second run in S2. He was good and then second secror suddenly off by 2 tenths.

Still, very good lap by Bottas. He was right there and delivered when it mattered.
He was slower than Botas in S1 in his final run.
He was always slower in S1. It was in S2 and S3 where he pulled out his gap. Check the sector times posted earlier.

S1: bottas
S2: ham (1st q3 run)
S3: ham (1st q3 run)

AFAIK Ham was up on his 2nd run (personal best S1 but slower than Bottas, but then made a mistake in S2). Bottas never beat Hams S2 & S3 times by the evidence of the sector time sheet.

Not looking for excuses. The margin was extremily small, full congrats to Bottas.
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Vladimir wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:58
Well done Botas, great result for him.
Ferarri will be much harder opponent in race for sure.
Renault make steady progress, Hulk show how much they improve from last year.
Hope for first points tomorrow.
Imagine what would Alonso do in that Renault today...
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cplchanb wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 19:07
LionKing wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:53
Phil wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:34
So Ham did lose pole on his second run in S2. He was good and then second secror suddenly off by 2 tenths.

Still, very good lap by Bottas. He was right there and delivered when it mattered.
He was slower than Botas in S1 in his final run.
I dont think so...Sky's graphic has him up 0.052 after S1....at which all he had to do was match his S2 and 3 times.
He probably overcooked it somewhere in S2...maybe at the hairpin before the back straight? I guess well have to look at the onboards...
That is with respect to provisonal pole time at that time( I. e. Lewis's first lap) . Bottas was up even more at the end of S1.

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GoranF1 wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 19:18
Imagine what would Alonso do in that Renault today...
He would have probably badmouthed Renault and the team again : )

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ripper wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:36
F1NAC wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:26

http://i.imgur.com/xaa4gZ6.png
Thanks a lot!

Even if VET didn't a good 2nd lap probably he couldn't do much more, maybe 0.3 gap could have been possibile with a perfect lap. Today Mercedes were clearly superior and if they don't do any mistake they have a good chance to score a first and second place
In fairness though, gap in quali first two races was also 0.3, so if he had done that perfect lap, perhaps we wouldn't be so surprised by the gap; the difference was Bottas wasn't previously on Lewis' level but today he was.

The only other caveat is that Vettel was apparently pleased with his first lap, so perhaps it was pretty much perfect?

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Ferrari 3 tenths down in S1. That is pure power sector right there, no doubt Merc has more in engine. At least 15-20hp in quali mode. Probably around 40 in comparison to Renault.

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Tomorrow will be quite windy, much windier than it's been all weekend, braking for turn 1 will be hard with a strong crosswind.

Hoping Bottas gets that 1st win.
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GPR-A wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:33
wunderkind wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:30
Great job by Wehrlein to qualify 13th in the Sauber ahead of the other Mercedes junior Seb Ocon and more than half a second faster than his teammate Ericsson.
Indeed. In a car that he hasn't even fully tested.
Yup !
When you see Palmer you can only think that this guy is maybe cool and friendly, but is taking the seat of someone with much more potential/talent.
I would have love to see Wherlein/Ocon behind the wheel of this Renault, but unfortunately they "belongs" to Mercs !

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Imagine what would Alonso do in that Renault today...
He would have maybe slapped Verstappen for the P5 ! :D
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GPR-A wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:44
F1NAC wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:33
GoranF1 wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:31

I tought BAH is 4th lowest after Monza Canada and SPA?
ye, it goes in this group after those low df circuits.
Disagree. If you look at the circuit, except for corners 8 and 10, the track simply allows you to exercise power if you have good amount of downforce. Exit of turn 1, then you are rolling through 2 and 3 as if they don't exist. Turn 4 is just a small breaking point and the more downforce, the faster you can go on throttle. Then 5 and 6 flows. At 8 a hair pin bend and you throttle up to 9 and another full breaking at 10. From there, you don't need a great deal of downforce, but the more the downforce, slightly better exits you can take at rest of the corners.

So, this is definitely not a low downforce circuit. You will never hear anyone speak of and neither do you see trimmed wings. If SIngapore and Japan are considered highest downforce, and then Monza is considered lowest, Bahrain is in the middle or slightly towards the first bracket and stands behind Silverstone and then Austin.
I didnt say that Bahrain belongs to low df group. I said that it belongs to group after low df tracks (medium as you said) . Sochi and bakuu in front

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Sochi has that one long left hander that's easy flat, the rest of the turns are short medium speed corners taken in the 120-175kph range, save for the slow stuff in sector 3. Unless the cars are making more power than last year I don't see pole being much faster there either. Pole was what ~.7 second faster in Bahrain than last year? We'd have to compare sector times for Hamilton's lap to this year's Pole lap.

44 L Hamilton 28.343 [1] 38.655 [1] 22.449 [1] 1:29.447 2016 pole lap
2 77 V Bottas 28.284 [1] 38.299 [2] 22.180 [2] 1:28.763 2017 pole lap

So 1 tenth gained in sector 1, 3 tenths in sector 2, and almost 3 tenths in sector 3.
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Bottas onboard pole lap, if anyone missed it.

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GoranF1 wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:31

I tought BAH is 4th lowest after Monza Canada and SPA?
I don't blame you because it's quite new, but Baku is certainly lower DF than Bahrain.

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Sevach wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 20:10
GoranF1 wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 18:31

I tought BAH is 4th lowest after Monza Canada and SPA?
I don't blame you because it's quite new, but Baku is certainly lower DF than Bahrain.
You are right a forget Baku...
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LionKing wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 19:27
GoranF1 wrote:
15 Apr 2017, 19:18
Imagine what would Alonso do in that Renault today...
He would have probably badmouthed Renault and the team again : )
He would be very high up the grid....he never badmouthed a team for un justified reasons.
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Qualifying always exaggerates the Mercedes margin and the race will be close. Start as ever will be key- I wonder how Bottas will cope with the pressure of pole as they drag race turn 1.

Apparantly there might be an advantage for the pole side (1st, 3rd, 5th) so perhaps Vettel and Raikonnen may be able to jump Hamilton and Ricciardo respectively. You would think Ferrari need a car to split the Mercs if they are to make a fist of this.

Has to be said Kimi has been disappointing yet again this weekend. To be beaten by a Red Bull, despite their improvement, is poor. I believe he can race well tomorrow but he can be poor off the line. I'd like to see a 2 stopper if he gets stuck behind a Red Bull. Not enough split strategy from teams IMO.