2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

[NathanOlder]

Hamilton needs a penalty at the next race, this is not the first time he has slowed down abruptly. It has been a feature all through is career, repeatedly warned for not being aware of other cars behind.

This was a case of him trying to back Vettal into Perez gone wrong, needs a penalty.

Brakes need warming as do tyres.

[fabian77]

It's not as if Vettel has run in to the back of someone under the SC before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHDTefmirJo

Same as Hamilton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbSL8edgC3Y

Yeah really great, in the rain, whereas Hamilton was clear in the daylight with a red light in the pit lane

[marmer]

When ham stop for head rest had they run out of new tyres they didn't change them fresh might have got him past vettel/managed an under cut

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[Xwang]

Again: is he prohibited from braking and ensuring heat in his brakes?

The rule says:
"In order to avoid the likelihood of accidents before the safety car returns to the pits, from the point at which the lights on the car are turned out drivers must proceed at a pace which involves no erratic acceleration or braking nor any other manoeuvre which is likely to endanger other drivers or impede the restart."

So in that case the answer to your question should be "YES".
If I understand correctly the rule, the leader can do what he wants before the SC cars go out then "he MUST proceed at a pace which involves no erratic acceleration or braking nor any other manoeuvre which is likely to endanger other drivers or impede the restart."

[Mattchu]

One more thing, to me it looked like Vettel was trying to get the Jump on Hamilton and misjudged it, if Hamilton had brake tested Vettel surely his head would have jerked forward when he dabbed the pedal!

[turbof1]

Guys, I know the Hamilton/Vettel incident is highly controversial, and both are bound to throw comments back and forth in public the coming days. You are certainly allowed to discussed it, but please please do so respectful towards eachother. I know this will bring up emotions, but I need all of you to stay constructive and rational. If not, I will be forced to hand out warnings. That goes for comments made after this post, but also ones made before.

[NathanOlder]

How can people be respectful towards each other when some people ignore what they see on tv and talk utter utter nonsense. Respect is earned.

[Xwang]

The driver has no control over harvesting, you can't penalise the driver because his car was harvesting.

HAM braked after the apex as the on board replay shows.
VET is guilty of not avoiding the lateral collision when he was probably telling to HAM with arms gestures how much he loves him

The quoted youtube video does not show anything that can make you conclude Lewis braked or did not brake.

Let's stick to the facts please.

In Italy Sky has shown the onboards with the speed, throttle and brake more times during the replies and they showed that HAM has braked.

And to be fair, the matter is really about what Vettel did in response to accidentally bumping into the race leader. And really, his behaviour is unacceptable for a Formula One driver, and it would fit the sport if appropriate penalties would be enforced for such behaviour, no matter if that's Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso or Diniz.

... I agree and VET has been punished for that.
HAM has not!

[Restomaniac]

Wow the bias in this thread is funny. Some are making out that it's somehow Hamiltons fault. Others are trying to paint it as accidental. It's rather sad really.

[i70q7m7ghw]

It's not as if Vettel has run in to the back of someone under the SC before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHDTefmirJo

Same as Hamilton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbSL8edgC3Y

Yeah really great, in the rain, whereas Hamilton was clear in the daylight with a red light in the pit lane

I'm still waiting for the telemetry you have that shows Hamilton braked, or did his engine harvest?

[fabian77]

It's not as if Vettel has run in to the back of someone under the SC before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHDTefmirJo

Same as Hamilton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbSL8edgC3Y

Yeah really great, in the rain, whereas Hamilton was clear in the daylight with a red light in the pit lane

I'm still waiting for the telemetry you have that shows Hamilton braked, or did his engine harvest?

You do know when a formula 1 car is harvesting energy the rear red light flashes ??? watch the video.. as for telemetry...do you have any to prove Hamilton wasn't braking ???? please show me !!!

[WaikeCU]

The driver has no control over harvesting, you can't penalise the driver because his car was harvesting.

HAM braked after the apex as the on board replay shows.
VET is guilty of not avoiding the lateral collision when he was probably telling to HAM with arms gestures how much he loves him

The quoted youtube video does not show anything that can make you conclude Lewis braked or did not brake.

Let's stick to the facts please.

And to be fair, the matter is really about what Vettel did in response to accidentally bumping into the race leader. And really, his behaviour is unacceptable for a Formula One driver, and it would fit the sport if appropriate penalties would be enforced for such behaviour, no matter if that's Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso or Diniz.

Imagine if people here start to ask who on earth Diniz is.

But yeah exactly. What's worse is he's a director for the GPDA and he's lying about what just happened. How thrustworthy is this guy actually. When one day he says that safety is very important to the sport, but then starts running into people, starts naming people. After last season I don't think he has the same reputation that he used to have, but yet he voices an opinion that represents the drivers in F1.

Let's make Maldonado a member of the GPDA then, shall we?

[Xwang]

HAM braked after the apex as the on board replay shows.
VET is guilty of not avoiding the lateral collision when he was probably telling to HAM with arms gestures how much he loves him

The quoted youtube video does not show anything that can make you conclude Lewis braked or did not brake.

Let's stick to the facts please.

And to be fair, the matter is really about what Vettel did in response to accidentally bumping into the race leader. And really, his behaviour is unacceptable for a Formula One driver, and it would fit the sport if appropriate penalties would be enforced for such behaviour, no matter if that's Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso or Diniz.

Imagine if people here start to ask who on earth Diniz is.

But yeah exactly. What's worse is he's a director for the GPDA and he's lying about what just happened. How thrustworthy is this guy actually. When one day he says that safety is very important to the sport, but then starts running into people, starts naming people. After last season I don't think he has the same reputation that he used to have, but yet he voices an opinion that represents the drivers in F1.

Let's make Maldonado a member of the GPDA then, shall we?

The same can be said of HAM that was complying that SC was running to slow and than he brake till 49km/h after a turn. What a coherence!!!

[dans79]

Let's make Maldonado a member of the GPDA then, shall we?

Then we would have F1 bumper cars for sure!

[cplchanb]

Yes because I have live Mercedes Telemetry on my computer

As said it was shown on a replay on tv but as always Sky jumps to Lewis' defense as he never does anything wrong.

Sure it wasn't the nicest thing to do but ham is entitled to set the pace of the pack and vet is required to follow. Considering that they've raced for 10 years vet should know what his antics are and at the very least be cognisant of it. Vet's response if proven true is worse than Schumacher in 97 because it was premeditated and not as instinctive

wasn't quoting you Diesel

I was comparing the two incidents since both involved drivers intentionally ramming the side of another. True context is different but intent was the same. Thing is vet had time to think and react which made things worse