2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

[Manoah2u]

it's awfully quiet over on the Ferrari side.

probably smartest thing to do and 5 mins before stepping into the tribunal just inform them about their skilled lawyers, and how this tribunal.
there was a certain someone who stated the following "I don't recognise the authority of this court". Not that it did much for him though. And that's an understatement.

Thing is, how wil Ferrari respond to this. Ferrari is big enough to stand firm and come away with it, but the big question would be, would Ferrari actually support Vettel or would
they decide that this is Vettel's act alone and he must then face the consequences himself - essentially distancing themselves from the incident.

It would free Ferrari from blame and criticism, though offcourse you'd get the massive train following that they don't support their driver and let Seb in the cold and selled him out.

What would Ferrari do though? They are able to run another driver if i'm right, but who would they hand a drive either way?

Can this go in appeal if there is a negative outcome for Seb?

still. i think nothing will happen at all.

[Edax]

To somehow conflate the two as being part of the same venn diagram is absurd. What you and many others have done is personalised the situation - made it about you - made it somehow about what you might have encountered on the road, without realising that the situations and contexts are polar worlds apart.

I did not say it is a fair comparison, but it is an easy one to make. Take away the context of a championship race and all that is left is a guy acting stupid in a car.

And yes I don't have a problem admitting that I am a mildly egocentric person, but let me think that we all to some extend try to " personalise" things like F1. we pick our favorites and villains based on driving achievements, but also on character and behavior, using our own world as a reference framework. Which is just as silly, since the lives these drivers are leading, are probably more seperated from ours than the the track is from the road.

[SR71]

it's awfully quiet over on the Ferrari side.

probably smartest thing to do and 5 mins before stepping into the tribunal just inform them about their skilled lawyers, and how this tribunal.
there was a certain someone who stated the following "I don't recognise the authority of this court". Not that it did much for him though. And that's an understatement.

Thing is, how wil Ferrari respond to this. Ferrari is big enough to stand firm and come away with it, but the big question would be, would Ferrari actually support Vettel or would
they decide that this is Vettel's act alone and he must then face the consequences himself - essentially distancing themselves from the incident.

It would free Ferrari from blame and criticism, though offcourse you'd get the massive train following that they don't support their driver and let Seb in the cold and selled him out.

What would Ferrari do though? They are able to run another driver if i'm right, but who would they hand a drive either way?

Can this go in appeal if there is a negative outcome for Seb?

still. i think nothing will happen at all.

Who's blaming Ferrari? So far you're the only voice I've heard even raise the issue.

This is a Seb issue. Seb's on a team - they will show what kind of team they are shortly.

Honestly though, no team is going to hang their driver out for having a red-mist moment while battling for the championship in one of the most exciting races in one of the most exciting seasons in a decade.

Humans are humans - I will though have a quiet chuckle if the card's turn around and we have some new data brought to the table - wouldn't be the first time AND might be why, as you say, Ferrari is being silent.

[ClarkBT11]

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If the shoe was on the other foot and Hamilton hit Vettel I couldn't defend him and I would think 10 second penalty was lenient. Considering a harsher penalty wasn't picked because they couldn't accept responsibility for the right decision.

If it was Hamilton hitting Vettel I've got a feeling you wouldn't be posting that opinion and what exactly has watered f1 for ten years? Two teams dominating for most of it and consistent regulation changes.

Arrggh I've just burnt my Baked Alaska!

[Wynters]

But did he maliciously ram him, or did he lose control while gesticulating?

The intent is important.

Are you honestly saying that Vettel is such a poor driver that he lost control of a car drifting along at 50kph and accidentally swerved into another car with no corrective reaction? Is your opinion of him really that low?

4x WDC forgets to steer! -or- "In the end we’re racing as men. I don’t have a radio to him."

Based on the video of the incident, Vettel's many years of car control at the very highest level and his comments after the race... Are they really both 'compelling explanations'?

It's fascinating to see just how many people share your opinion that Vettel is unable to safely control his vehicle, even under Safety Car (or, the irony of the name) conditions. For someone with four WDCs in his trophy cabinet, to show him such little credit...wow.

[ringo]

from the video from t16, i can see that vettel steering wheel was yanked to the right aggressively. the car didn't veer into Hamilton's. it was swiped into the car. look closely on the video and you can even the the arm pulling the wheel over.
Clear as day intention to ram Hamilton's car and break off a piece of the W08.
Punishment should be Vettel being removed from the results from Baku. Zero points for that race, and Ferrari should move on to the next race and keep quiet.

[TAG]

Baked Alaska

• Vegetable oil cooking spray

How long have you been baking? Only a n00b would use vegetable oil cooking spray, it just wouldn't' give you the same flaky crust as Crisco.

[ClarkBT11]

Baked Alaska

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How long have you been baking? Only a n00b would use vegetable oil cooking spray, it just wouldn't' give you the same flaky crust as Crisco.

Mine's only fit to American pie it.

[Stormy]

from the video from t16, i can see that vettel steering wheel was yanked to the right aggressively. the car didn't veer into Hamilton's. it was swiped into the car. look closely on the video and you can even the the arm pulling the wheel over.
Clear as day intention to ram Hamilton's car and break off a piece of the W08.
Punishment should be Vettel being removed from the results from Baku. Zero points for that race, and Ferrari should move on to the next race and keep quiet.

Why? There wasn't any damage done to Lewis' car. Ho harm done. 10 stop penalty was enough. If it wasn't for that headrest issue, Lewis' fans would not argue so much now. Dangerous driving at 40 kph? lol. More like bad behavior.

[dans79]

Why? There wasn't any damage done to Lewis' car. Ho harm done. 10 stop penalty was enough. If it wasn't for that headrest issue, Lewis' fans would not argue so much now. Dangerous driving at 40 kph? lol. More like bad behavior.

As far as the FIA is concerned dangerous driving and bad behavior are pretty much the same thing.

[fiohaa]

If it was Hamilton hitting Vettel I've got a feeling you wouldn't be posting that opinion and what exactly has watered f1 for ten years? Two teams dominating for most of it and consistent regulation changes.

why would it change my opinion if it was hamilton hitting vettel?
i literally say in my post 'i don't care' about who hit who...and talk about how i viewed it as entertainment. you are not dealing with the comment and trying to make it about something else.

what exactly has watered f1? Hmm, well where do you want to start?
Trying to artificially induce racing through degrading tyres. Dishing out constant penalities for racing incidents. The turning of circuits into car parks, which brings with it constant issues around track limits.

hence the Specific calls in 2017 to "let the drivers deal with it themselves on track", to actively reduce the handing out of penalties unless absolutely necessary, and to make more durable tyres.
the rule changes themselves back up my claim that the racing was watered down.

And my point was - given the absurd outcries of people about what Vettel did - i am making a claim that fans who are relatively new to it (i.e. come to it in the last decade) have maybe become acclimatised to this 'watered down' reality that when they see something that is aggresive, the equivalent of Vettel essentially punching ham in the pitlane, they are shocked by it and treat it as some outrageous event - losing all site of perspective.

[FW17]

If the shoe was on the other foot and Hamilton hit Vettel I couldn't defend him and I would think 10 second penalty was lenient. Considering a harsher penalty wasn't picked because they couldn't accept responsibility for the right decision.

If it was Hamilton hitting Vettel I've got a feeling you wouldn't be posting that opinion and what exactly has watered f1 for ten years? Two teams dominating for most of it and consistent regulation changes.

Arrggh I've just burnt my Baked Alaska!

If Hamilton was the offender you would be defending him, that is how fans work.

You see Hamilton has a lot of fans in the Brit press who are asking for more punishment to further his cause in the championship.

[Vasconia]

Agreed, blame anyone as long as it isn't Vettel.

Are you just trolling or what?

Unless you can demonstrate that the contact between both cars mistfited that piece I reach the conclusion that you must be trolling, seriously.

Trolling? Just having some fun and the Mr. Green should have been an indication, but I have, lots of time pointed out the conclusion I've come to which is the conclusion that the race stewards came to and it's the conclusion that the FiA have come to and are now looking to review the case to see if they apply additional penalties given what Vettel did/said. But some how we're still hearing from people insisting that it was Hamilton's driving that's to blame.

I think this is fascinating though, dramastical, escandalo, fierce.

Sometimis discussions are surrealistic so its difficult to judge where the joke begins hahaha

Well, my opinion is that Hamilton likes to play with fire, he has lead the package under SF conditions and even I dont like his driving sometimes(behind the SF) what he does is legal. Vettel should have been more aware of Hamilton´s tactis. I still see something strange in his attitude but its legal, so I don´t continue discussing about it.

[Vasconia]

Jenson Button @JensonButton

Azerbaijan GP was a pleasure 2watch. Why? because adrenaline & emotions were high. What Vettel did was silly but he's been punished. Move on

Brawn understands Vettel´s reaction though he doesn´t agree with it:

http://www.marca.com/motor/formula1/201 ... b45b1.html

Rossi even liked it:

http://www.marca.com/motor/motogp/gp-al ... b4687.html

Be careful, sh*tty translations alert.

[Vasconia]

from the video from t16, i can see that vettel steering wheel was yanked to the right aggressively. the car didn't veer into Hamilton's. it was swiped into the car. look closely on the video and you can even the the arm pulling the wheel over.
Clear as day intention to ram Hamilton's car and break off a piece of the W08.
Punishment should be Vettel being removed from the results from Baku. Zero points for that race, and Ferrari should move on to the next race and keep quiet.

Vettel´s cart must be indestructible to do it without damaging his own car...