2017 Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg 7-9 Jul

[giantfan10]

I saw that overtake ending in tears and i know Hamilton rathers the clutch of points than a clutch of gravel!

vettel is still due bad luck gents. Twenty points is nothing.

Its pretty funny to me to see this opinion now being the rallying cry for merc fans across the internet...
So whats the rallying cry going to be when Vettel doesnt have a penalty for a componenet change?
Another doozy is that Ferrari are not developing their car and are being blown away by mercedes
Lets review... Bottas wrecked Kimis race and vettel had a detuned pu last race and finished 4th......
This race bottas got away with one and took off into the distance only to be reeled back in for a close win...Vettel leads the drivers championship by 20 points and is going to have an engine upgrade for the brittish gp to counter the upgrade mercedes had in canada....what am i missing? Is this not the normal ebb and flow of a competitive championship?

[JesperA]

Sure, FIA has ruled in Bottas favor so this instance is all fine, but i still think a slight improvement of the system should be discussed for the future anyway, telemetry and "tolerances" wise it was not a jump start, visually wise, it was https://media.giphy.com/media/mrFmmvlvtfv1e/giphy.gif

Teams surely have data for the clutch actuation so why not make a rule that requires that data to be synced in a time series datastore on a FIA owned server, currently teams have to "hand over" the data to FIA, easy fix and much more accurate compared to induction loops in the ground etc.

[Hammerfist]

Are you factoring in his replaced transmission and subsequent grid penalty on the slide? It's a long season, don't worry he'll pull it out with plenty points to spare, especially now that Ferrari is beginning to falter on the development front, Vettel will feel the effects of grid penalties soon enough, he'll be sliding as well.

No he's factoring in Hamilton only doing enough for 3rd on the grid when he has the car to get pole. In the races nowadays he's super cautious which costs him potential podiums when there's the opportunity. He's been driving like this for a couple of seasons now.

The "old" Hamilton would have probably ended in the gravel with Ricciardo. And we would probably all call him stupid for spilling good points.

Ricciardo is driving for podiums not points, he would no doubt risk bodywork or worse to stay in third. Hamilton has become more calculated in his driving, and why not, he has the car to carry him through a rough patch? Taking more risk is more likely to cost him a championship than to gain it.

Seriously the "old Hamilton" couldn't have done anything in that situation. He was on the outside of the corner, so couldn't push Ricciardo wide. Credit to ricciardo for blocking the inside line and stay on the brakes as long as possible to avoid being overtaken.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Bottas's 2nd win does reveal Lewis vulnerability and the superiority of Merc. Before the season starts, many people were saying Lewis will trample over Bottas in Merc. It didnt happen, and neither did it happen to Button or Nico

Neither is Button, nor is Nico multiple world champions. Neither they figure in top qualifiers, nor anywhere near cream of race winners.
[Note: This is a superficial level response to a superficial post. No details are demanded, neither are provided. On his day, Maldonado also won a GP.]

[ChrisDanger]

Article from 2014: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/driv ... t-whiting/

Drivers are allowed to gamble on making a false start in Formula One, the FIA's Charlie Whiting has confirmed.

"We proceed on the basis that anyone who tries to anticipate the start takes the risk of incurring a penalty.

"But if he does take the risk and takes off just as the lights go out, he's lucky," Whiting added.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Kvyat did what Grosjean did in Spa 2012. Surely deserved far severe than a drive through. What a stupid driver and how many times he does that and never learns the basic lesson that, the races are not won at 1st lap. What kind of a driver is he that doesn't understand how much speed he is carrying?

Looks like Perez took the role of Magnussen to block the race leaders as the latter was out of race.

[CHT]

Bottas's 2nd win does reveal Lewis vulnerability and the superiority of Merc. Before the season starts, many people were saying Lewis will trample over Bottas in Merc. It didnt happen, and neither did it happen to Button or Nico

Neither is Button, nor is Nico multiple world champions. Neither they figure in top qualifiers, nor anywhere near cream of race winners.
[Note: This is a superficial level response to a superficial post. No details are demanded, neither are provided. On his day, Maldonado also won a GP.]

I wont rank Button as one of the top drivers in F1 and yet given the same car he can still make Lewis struggle at times.

Qualifying
Faster qualifying time: Hamilton 44 / Button 14
Poles: Hamilton 9 / Button 1
Front rows: Hamilton: 23 / Button 9
Races
Wins: Hamilton 10 / Button 8
Podiums: Hamilton 22 / Button 25
Points finishes: Hamilton 45 / Button 47
DNFs: Hamilton 13 / Button 8
Best race result (inc DNFs): Hamilton 32 / Button 26
Ahead in two-car finish: Hamilton 24 / Button 13
Championship
Overall points: Hamilton 657 / Button 672
Seasons finished higher in standings: Hamilton 2 / Button 1
Highest championship placing: Hamilton 4th (2010, 2012) / Button 2nd (2011)

https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/11/ ... t-mclaren/

[fiohaa]

Kvyat did what Grosjean did in Spa 2012. Surely deserved far severe than a drive through. What a stupid driver and how many times he does that and never learns the basic lesson that, the races are not won at 1st lap. What kind of a driver is he that doesn't understand how much speed he is carrying?

Looks like Perez took the role of Magnussen to block the race leaders as the latter was out of race.

What kyvat did was absolutely nothing like what grosjean did, other than he hit cars, which would then make all accidents the "same"

Now Sainz in Canada, that really was pretty much similar to grosjean.

[rscsr]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130639

So it WAS a judgement call - and they will never reveal the data behind it either.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130639

So apparently there is this so called "tolerance" that only FIA knows. No trace of it in the rules. Only FIA knows.

I think that they measure the reaction time differently to what we think. As far as I know they have induction loops on the grid slots and it is plausible that there is not much difference in the signal when the car is moved 10cm or so due to possible resolution with induction loops under asphalt. So basically it could mean that the reaction time is when the car has moved half a meter or so.

[Vasconia]

On italian Sky they said that also RIC told to the box that BOT did a jump start

It doesnt matter, Vettel complained. Let´s hate him.

Now seriously, it looked like a jump start but if the data says the opposite I will leave it there. I can understand that Vettel was sure about that, his eyes tell him that but I didnt see any bad reaction from him.

The race wasn´t that good but the last laps were exciting. For me its clear that the Mercedes weas the car to beat but Ferrari can be happy, after three races where Hamilton should have won all of them Vettel´s advantage has been increased.

Bottas had a perfect weekend, and now its only 15 points behind Lewis, Mercedes can´t justify team orders right now.

Vettel did what he has done so far, a perfect and super consistent driving and consistency usually brings championships even if you don´t have the best car.

Bad luck for Carlos Sainz, he did a great qualy but the race was a disaster with all those PU problems.

Verstappen must be tremendously fustrated right now.

[Xwang]

What about the huge performance difference between first and second stint?
In the first one Bottas was a lot quicker than Vettel.
The opposite in the second.
Is it related to tyres or the necessity for Vettel to save fuel/energy in the first part of the race? Was a (risky) management from Bottas?

[marvin78]

Vettel said that he had no good balance in the first stint and it was way better in the second. And Bottas struggled with his tyres in the end.

[Vasconia]

Vettel said that he had no good balance in the first stint and it was way better in the second. And Bottas struggled with his tyres in the end.

Exactly, so its difficult to judge the real gap between both. I still think that Mercedes was faster but probably not so clear as we saw in the first stint.

Forgot to mention Ricciardo´s great pace. Rb seems to be closing the gap very fastly, at least if we speak about race pace.

[ripper]

Yeah could be that Ferrari setup was better for SS and Mercedes' one better for US. I still have to understand why they pitted HAM so early anyway.

[JonoNic]

Hamilton's car was setup for SS as he had too much wing on the front (SS was more prone to understeer). When he switched tyres the team did not adjust front wing for US and the car was then very pointy. Ironically, when the fronts lost their grip he had a better balance to try and attack Ricciardo but it was too late. Hamilton should have asked for the wing adjustment at pitstop.