OMG! Why haven't I seen this interview posted before!?!?

[Conceptual]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=3

This is VERY informative. Max Mosley explains the entire McLaren/Ferrari debacle in 2007.

Amazing interview! I can't believe that it hasn't been linked earlier.

Chris

[Conceptual]

Any comments?

The interviewer deffinately holds Max's feet to the fire, and you can see Max squirm in quite a bit of the interview.

I think this is the most comprehensive explaination of the events concerning the disqualifying of McLaren from the constructors championship while allowing the drivers to keep their points for marketing and rating purposes.

Better than any press release that I have read, and the explaination of the overview of how the FIA are going to police the "idea essence" of Ferrari's documentation being developed into McLarens MP4-23.

Good interview, and worth the 24 minutes. And Max admits that McLaren lied, and why the drivers were allowed to keep their points due to support from Spain and the UK.

I guess that the more money that is involved, the more grey the area becomes.

Any comments?

Chris

[manchild]

When asked about last race in Brazil regarding the cars finishing in front of Hamilton he says something like "Three car being in front of Hamilton have nothing to do with his position." and yet, in the same interview he says that all cars are always disqualified no matter how small technical irregularity is in question.

As I said before, F1 has turned from time keeping sport to jury voting sport based on personal opinion rather than regulations. Pure pro wrestling

Another perhaps even more important thing he said was that Mclaren should have told Ferrari that they have spy in their rows. That is extremely interesting since everyone blamed Mclaren for spying while in fact it was just a leak from Ferrari by one dissatisfied Ferrari team member. No evidence ever found that Mclaren paid a penny to Stepney and Stepney as a spy still wasn't found guilty a perhaps never will be. Based on what hard evidence was Mclaren punished than?

[mep]

After all I must say that FIA had choosen the absolutelly right decisions on last
years events. In all cases:
-giving McLaren a hard punishment
-giving the drivers no punishment
-don't disqualifying the the drivers in front of Hamilton or giving him the
positions in Brasil
=D> =D>

On the other side McLaren Mercedes really blamed themself.

-They used the hole Ferrari knowledge.
-Based on this knowlege they called Ferrari a cheater (after Melbourne the flexi
underfloor/wing disscusion)
-They lied to the FIA and to the hole world/fans.
-They lost the worldchampionship by their own stupidity (China/Brasil)
-They still see themself in the role of the poor shep in a world of wolfes
and blame others to cheat,to get their effort(after Brasil and this season again)
[-X

Now you thing I writte this as a Ferrari Fan.
No- Before 2007 I was a Mercedes Fan but after the season 2004 and finally this one
they lost me as a Fan.

[manchild]

-don't disqualifying the the drivers in front of Hamilton or giving him the

How fair is that and why? That was a political decision by FIA and deliberate overstepping of technical regulations. Those cars in front were technically illegal but disqualifying them would mean a title for Hamilton so they didn't do it. That has nothing to do with sport or with sporting or technical regulations but only with political decision not to allow Hamilton to become WDC. If he wasn't behind those cars, if someone else who had no chance for title complained those car would have been disqualified for sure. That's the deepest political mud of FIA and WMSC.

-Based on this knowlege they called Ferrari a cheater (after Melbourne the flexi underfloor/wing disscusion)

That doesn't mean that Ferrari wasn't cheating with flexing floor.

Based on knowledge obtained from FIA technical department Ferrari learned about Renault's mass damper, tested it and when it didn't work on their car they made FIA ban it although FIA considered that device legal for almost a year up to Ferrari's inability to implement it on their car.

[Rob W]

Yeah, good call. But, I'm not disagreeing in general, just two small points.

he says that all cars are always disqualified no matter how small technical irregularity is in question.

Mosely has a weird memory of things... Ferrari's oversized barge boards? McLaren's 'damaged' engine seal (on Mika's car)? Etc..

...in fact it was just a leak from Ferrari by one dissatisfied Ferrari team member.

Is this really a fact. It's is just assumed as (very) large gaps in the story have been 'filled in' by people who have no little chance of actually knowing. (You may have seen my thoughts on Stepney's defiance and public statements through this all. There is lots we don't know.)

Also, regarding the banning of Renault's mass damper. I agree, the reasons for the banning, including the justification, essentially came from Ferrari. This is pretty well known amongst F1 insiders. The knowledge that basically one team can have a device banned because they couldn't perfect it themselves is perhaps quite strong evidence of the closer than acceptable relationship between the FIA and Ferrari which red-team fans usually dismiss as paranoia.

R

[captainmorgan]

Wasnt the mass damper ban initiated by McLaren?

[Conceptual]

Wasnt the mass damper ban initiated by McLaren?

I thought so myself, since I am very sure that Ferrari abd BMW had to remove it from their vehicles after the ban was enforced.

It should have been made legal for 2007+ however. If the teams knew about it during the design phase, all cars would have it right now, and realistically it sounds as if the Honda and the Toyota would have been MUCH more competitive last year if they had this device. It seems to be the cure for what they were complaining about ALOT last year.

I would be VERY interested on what Scarbs has to say about this.

Anyways, had ANYONE here seen this video before I posted it? I was knocked off my feet when I came across it. I simply couldnt believe with the amount of forum reading that I do that I hadn't seen it on ANY post across several boards.

Thanks for the replies however. It is good to get it from the horses mouth, even though he talks out both sides of it.

Chris

[mep]

manchild
How fair is that and why?...
...That has nothing to do with sport or with sporting or technical regulations

1) They don't exactly know if the fuel had the right temperature or not
because there were different temperature specifications from FIA
2)The teams didn't do that by intention.
3)It brings no obvious advantage
4)It has nothing to do with Hamiltons performance, means if the had proper
fuel temperature Hamilton wouldn't be faster or better placed in the race.


By the way this is no mass damper topic here

[P_O_L]

We are not even 2 races into a new season and mclaren creates yet again controversy and gains a penalty.

No they have not been punished enough by Mosley imo. They have learned nothing. They keep on dragging our sport through the gutter. When will it end?

[Metar]

We are not even 2 races into a new season and mclaren creates yet again controversy and gains a penalty.

No they have not been punished enough by Mosley imo. They have learned nothing. They keep on dragging our sport through the gutter. When will it end?

Err... You are aware that this was a pure mistake by the drivers? It's not like it was a team decision to block Heidfeld and Alonso.

I agree with the grid-penalty - they have blocked, after all - but that was no team action, for sure. The drivers just happened to be there at the wrong time, as they (probably) assumed no-one else was on a hotlap. After Melbourne, most drivers are very aware that blocking is easily punished.

[Project Four]

Ever since McLaren got punished for the spygate case I have struggled to follow the logic behind the punishment and the judgement and the Mosley video has only confused me even more. And, that is not because of Mosley's lawyer speak.

McLaren got punished because as an organisation although they did not know what was going on they should have, where as Alonso did know and did use the information but did not get punished.

Mosley even agreed, when pushed, that Alonso was cheating. Then when asked outright, so Alonso cheated, retreated in the fact that the use of information was cheating by the team, but Alonso had no control over this and it was not up to him whether McLaren used it. Hello, but wasn’t it Alonso who was communicating with Pedro Rosa asking questions about what Ferrari were doing and using.

I still can not see how that you can punish the team because they had the information and did know about it, but not punish someone who knew they had spy data and actively went out of his way to use it.

[P_O_L]

We are not even 2 races into a new season and mclaren creates yet again controversy and gains a penalty.

No they have not been punished enough by Mosley imo. They have learned nothing. They keep on dragging our sport through the gutter. When will it end?

Err... You are aware that this was a pure mistake by the drivers? It's not like it was a team decision to block Heidfeld and Alonso.

I agree with the grid-penalty - they have blocked, after all - but that was no team action, for sure. The drivers just happened to be there at the wrong time, as they (probably) assumed no-one else was on a hotlap. After Melbourne, most drivers are very aware that blocking is easily punished.

Well i dont know. To me it looked pretty silly a professional team like mclaren cannot guide their drivers to stay out of the way of other cars. That is the job of the pitwall. It was rather a lack of action of the team in general. And with the 2007 spygate in mind, ud expect them to keep a low profile for the time being.
Also, i remember The Great Lewis doing something similar in brasil qualifying last year where he escaped a penalty.

Looking back at the videos seeing the speed difference between the mclarens and the bmw i think they are lucky not to get a bigger penalty.

[Project Four]

We are not even 2 races into a new season and mclaren creates yet again controversy and gains a penalty.

No they have not been punished enough by Mosley imo. They have learned nothing. They keep on dragging our sport through the gutter. When will it end?

Why P_O_L you’re right those dastardly McLaren’s how low will they go. Did you see Ron (Dick Dastardly) Dennis he was on the pit wall and he told Hamilton and Heikki to quickly stop that Alonso pigeon.

[P_O_L]

lol

I do think he said wordings of that extend during that Spa 98 race, where DC robbed shumi of a certain 3rd world championship.

Today however, simply looked like stupidity combined with arrogance. They told both their drivers to enage the crawl mode and simply did not tell there where other competitors on track. Like there werent any.