2017 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa Francorchamps, 25-27 August

[ripper]

As far as I understood every PU that will be introduced at next week will have a maximum oil consumption of 0.9 lt / 100 km, what is it not clear is if already homologated PUs (MER and HAAS) will have same limit

[NathanOlder]

If the race was going to be easy for Merc due to their emgine then i guess Force India tan Red Bull close and Williams crushed Renault and Mclaren.

[TAG]

1. Did Mercedes know, the new rules are going to affect them, regardless of their early introduction of the latest spec PU in Spa, instead of Monza?
2. With their new Spec, are they compliant to new rules and that is why the new Spec was just a match to Ferrari''s current spec? Because, on the power sensitive Silverstone, the old spec Mercedes PU was miles ahead of Ferrari's current spec.
3. Is this what is going to happen to Ferrari too, when they have to introduce their FIA OIl Directive compliant PU for Monza?

Interesting hypothesis, we'll know soon enough.

[J.A.W.]

"Barely manage"? Hardly..
I dunno what race you were watching, but once the safety car interlude was over & the 'hammer' went down,..
Vettel was virtually helpless to make any meaningful impression on the M-B in front of him..
& Hamilton simply pulled out the necessary DRS-gap at will, on power, to go on, & win - as he liked..

[ripper]

So basically the secret behind Mercedes success in these three years is "burning oil". When Ferrari found that and tried to do the same Fia woke up and said this is not allowed. LOL

Well to be fair Mercedes PU has been the strongest in qualy mode AND race mode since the 1.6cc era, so it isn't related to oil burning only. Hats off to the engineers, they did a wonderful job.

[NathanOlder]

Did any of those moaning about Mercedes being too powerful hear Hamilton saying that he effectively backed in to Vettel which meant Vettel had to pull out of the tow early and back off slightly? If Vettel had had a correct run on to the straight he would have overtaken Hamilton. Vettel basically confirmed the same thing.

Yeah Vettel said he caught Hamilton too early so had to pull out early . Was it freat tactics by Lewis or just a huge tyre advantage for Seb. After the safety car Seb was way quicker in the heavy braking (Bus stop and La Source) and way quicker in the traction zones out of these corners. S2 the Merc was quicker on the harder tyres

[maxxer]

It's the same as with Q3 - Mercedes can burn a bit more oil when they need to.

It was Ferrari with the extra oil tank, not Mercedes.

Yes, Ferrari added an extra oil tank in an effort to match what Mercedes have been doing with one.
The early introduction of a 4th ICE was as close as we're going to get to an acknowledgment from Mercedes that their current engine burns more oil than the 0.9 litre per 100 km limit which will be in effect for any new engines introduced from Monza onwards.

So force india and Williams all know about this oil burning mode , why didnt they switch to new power units then.

[Treble]

"Barely manage"? Hardly..
I dunno what race you were watching, but once the safety car interlude was over & the 'hammer' went down,..
Vettel was virtually helpless to make any meaningful impression on the M-B in front of him..
& Hamilton simply pulled out the necessary DRS-gap at will, on power, to go on, & win - as he liked..

Exactly and this happened in a MERCEDES Track with Merc using the new Engine.

[NathanOlder]

"Barely manage"? Hardly..
I dunno what race you were watching, but once the safety car interlude was over & the 'hammer' went down,..
Vettel was virtually helpless to make any meaningful impression on the M-B in front of him..
& Hamilton simply pulled out the necessary DRS-gap at will, on power, to go on, & win - as he liked..

Lewis was pulling his biggest gaps in S2

[Treble]

So basically the secret behind Mercedes success in these three years is "burning oil". When Ferrari found that and tried to do the same Fia woke up and said this is not allowed. LOL

Well to be fair Mercedes PU has been the strongest in qualy mode AND race mode since the 1.6cc era, so it isn't related to oil burning only. Hats off to the engineers, they did a wonderful job.

Burning oil has been always illegal in these years...."Hats off to the engineers and to FIA too..."

[J.A.W.]

So basically the secret behind Mercedes success in these three years is "burning oil". When Ferrari found that and tried to do the same Fia woke up and said this is not allowed. LOL

Well to be fair Mercedes PU has been the strongest in qualy mode AND race mode since the 1.6cc era, so it isn't related to oil burning only. Hats off to the engineers, they did a wonderful job.

Burning oil has been always illegal in these years...."Hats off to the engineers and to FIA too..."

Ah, no.. oil 'consumption' was - in fact - one of the few 'free' areas not tightly constrained by the rules..

[J.A.W.]

"Barely manage"? Hardly..
I dunno what race you were watching, but once the safety car interlude was over & the 'hammer' went down,..
Vettel was virtually helpless to make any meaningful impression on the M-B in front of him..
& Hamilton simply pulled out the necessary DRS-gap at will, on power, to go on, & win - as he liked..

Lewis was pulling his biggest gaps in S2

Yet even with the u-s rubber advantage, Vettel was unable to stay in close touch long enough to deploy his DRS..

[GPR-A duplicate2]

So basically the secret behind Mercedes success in these three years is "burning oil". When Ferrari found that and tried to do the same Fia woke up and said this is not allowed. LOL

It's the same for Double Diffuser, EBD, F-Duct, Flexi Wings, FRIC and a host of other innovations that teams bring by pushing the envelop and FIA bans it. That is why teams that innovate first, gains and wins.

The best among them look ahead of the curve and prepare well to ultimately lose that advantage and still be ahead.

[NathanOlder]

"Barely manage"? Hardly..
I dunno what race you were watching, but once the safety car interlude was over & the 'hammer' went down,..
Vettel was virtually helpless to make any meaningful impression on the M-B in front of him..
& Hamilton simply pulled out the necessary DRS-gap at will, on power, to go on, & win - as he liked..

Lewis was pulling his biggest gaps in S2

Yet even with the u-s rubber advantage, Vettel was unable to stay in close touch long enough to deploy his DRS..

So it was the engine that kept Lewis infront on lap 1 and the restart. But it was the chassis that did the work to keep Vettel at arms length

[J.A.W.]

Was it?
Or was it a combination of 'dirty air' & a significant top-end speed advantage?