What are X wings?

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Conceptual
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What are X wings?

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The guy that got me into F1 was talking about them, but I have no idea what he meant. He said that they were banned, but didnt know when.

Anyone have any pics/info?

Chris


Conceptual
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Thanks!

And why dont they bring those back? From what I read, they were used to maintain downforce when following another car. Isnt that what everyone is looking for at the moment?

Chris

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They were banned after San Marino GP in 1998 , because FIA decided that they were dangerous and blocked drivers side vision .
:cry:

They were first introduced by Tyrrell in 1997 =D> and many other teams copied them , such as Prost , Sauber , Jordan even Ferrari .

Their role was to add downforce
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ESPImperium
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From a pure aesthetic point of view, they made the cars horible looking.

On a side note, could the wing bit of them be added to say the straight bit of the viking horns behing the drivers head like on the current Honda RA108, BMW Sauber F1.08, and the McLaren MP4-22 and MP4-21???

Would thay disrupt the flow of air towards the rear wing???

Conceptual
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bar555 wrote:They were banned after San Marino GP in 1998 , because FIA decided that they were dangerous and blocked drivers side vision .
:cry:

They were first introduced by Tyrrell in 1997 =D> and many other teams copied them , such as Prost , Sauber , Jordan even Ferrari .

Their role was to add downforce
I hate the subjective banning of radical technological advances, especially on the grounds of unproven safety risk.

Chris

Conceptual
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ESPImperium wrote:From a pure aesthetic point of view, they made the cars horible looking.

On a side note, could the wing bit of them be added to say the straight bit of the viking horns behing the drivers head like on the current Honda RA108, BMW Sauber F1.08, and the McLaren MP4-22 and MP4-21???

Would thay disrupt the flow of air towards the rear wing???
That would be something to behold. X-wings mounted on the viking horns...

I'd REALLY like to see that!

BAR555, any way to get a photo edit? That would be just crazy to behold!

Chris

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bar555 wrote:They were banned after San Marino GP in 1998 , because FIA decided that they were dangerous and blocked drivers side vision .
:cry:

They were first introduced by Tyrrell in 1997 =D> and many other teams copied them , such as Prost , Sauber , Jordan even Ferrari .

Their role was to add downforce
Their were banned because it was unsafe at pitstops because it was in the way of the fuel hose.

I dont know why they dont put them on the center of the side pods, out of the drivers view and out of the way of the fuel hose
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Conceptual
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Is there a specific rule that prevents these from being used today, with a different mounting solution?

Chris

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Conceptual wrote:That would be something to behold. X-wings mounted on the viking horns...

I'd REALLY like to see that!
A bit lame... I couldn't find a clear pic of T-wing's front view so I used the back view of T-wings to attach them to the horns.

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ESPImperium
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Looks like a intresting idea that i have came up with there, looks kinds odd i must admit, would probably work, dont know how leagal it is on the rule book side.

Saribro
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Conceptual wrote:Is there a specific rule that prevents these from being used today, with a different mounting solution?
No bodywork allowed in that area. BMW's horns are about as wide as allowed at that height.

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Conceptual wrote: ...
And why dont they bring those back? From what I read, they were used to maintain downforce when following another car. Isnt that what everyone is looking for at the moment?
Chris
We want F1 cars, not science fiction wheeled spaceships! They are horrible, They ARE dangerous because of vision reduction and beyond all that I think they add too much drag in middle and low downforce tracks.

There are more elegant ways to maintain downforce when following another car, like using a bigger diffuser or changing the pressure center position of the cars.

I remember TV comentator called that "ashtrays"
I saw that Tyrrell running in a GP back in 1997 and thought it was one of the ugliest F1 cars ever.
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modbaraban wrote:
Conceptual wrote:That would be something to behold. X-wings mounted on the viking horns...

I'd REALLY like to see that!
A bit lame... I couldn't find a clear pic of T-wing's front view so I used the back view of T-wings to attach them to the horns.

Image
Ive just thought about maybes inverting them, putting them on the side closest to the air box.

Conceptual
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Belatti wrote:
Conceptual wrote: ...
And why dont they bring those back? From what I read, they were used to maintain downforce when following another car. Isnt that what everyone is looking for at the moment?
Chris
We want F1 cars, not science fiction wheeled spaceships! They are horrible, They ARE dangerous because of vision reduction and beyond all that I think they add too much drag in middle and low downforce tracks.

There are more elegant ways to maintain downforce when following another car, like using a bigger diffuser or changing the pressure center position of the cars.

I remember TV comentator called that "ashtrays"
I saw that Tyrrell running in a GP back in 1997 and thought it was one of the ugliest F1 cars ever.

Sorry Belatti, but please don't pretend to know what I want to see on an F1 car. And about them being asthetically pleasing, would you allow me to make you cut off your fingers just because I don't like them, or would you argue that they help you out alot in your life? Please dont allow your right brain "gut feeling" to interfere with you logical left brain thinking process on this account.

And Modbaraban, AWESOME PIC! I wish that there was more views of it.

For the person that said that the BMW wings are about as wide as is allowed in that area, can you please point out the regulation that limits that space?

This would be interesting to see in a CFD sim...

Chris