2017 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Renault

[godlameroso]

Well Gasly hasn't been all that impressive.

[ME4ME]

Well Gasly hasn't been all that impressive.

In F1 or throughout his career?

Got to give the kid time. Look at Vandoorne, Stroll or even Ocon to some extent. They all needed time to settle in.

[Jolle]

The Sainz move must have been last minute. I can't get my head around the drivers carousel going on there otherwise.

If the move to score more points to get Gasly in the car, it well can backfire because I don't know how they could demoralise Kvyat even more. Especially with the press statement when they pulled him from the car.

It just doesn't make sense. They are very vulnerable now to loose their constructor position not just to HAAS but also to Renault.

[kptaylor]

Saw this in the Silly Season thread. What engine/chassis allocation does Kyvat get? Gasly inherited his when he replaced Kyvat. Does Kyvat take his back or take over Sainz's? What official role did Gasly play? Was he reserve then replacement with Kyvat moved into reserve role? If so, wouldn't he be replacing Sainz so he'd inherit his allocations? Interesting stuff for sure!

[Jolle]

Guess Kvyat goes back to his own chassis and Gasly will replace Sainz now.

[Vasconia]

Well Gasly hasn't been all that impressive.

With 0 experience in F1 I think his performance has been good so far.

[Manoah2u]

Well Gasly hasn't been all that impressive.

With 0 experience in F1 I think his performance has been good so far.

Same went for DannyRic, Max Verstappen, Carlos Sainz and they all are absolute GODS compared to Gasly.
Godlameroso is right, Gasly has been all but impressive.

Sure give it time would be smart, but that doesn't take away that from seeing him spooned in midseason/endseason, one would have expected more from him if such a decision is made instead of just 'spooning' him in next year.

Then again, i must admit, we sometimes are mistaken on how difficult it can be. I remember Massa's incident and his replacements. I remember Luca Badoer stepping in. Not that he ever was on any 'A-star' driver capacities or anything really special, but he struggled so much it was embarassing, and it was hardly his fault. Fisichella, driving for Force India all year long then took over and didn't really do much better. A bit, but not much. Kimi was on a whole other level though. Neither Badoer or Fisichella came even remotely close to Massa or Raikkonen's performances,
despite Fisichella being far from a bad driver, and again, Badoer wasn't the worst either. Neither of both were 'Ericsson' or 'Palmer' cr*p, but in that Ferrari, well, they were exactly that somehow.

So agreed, wait and see but i do wonder whether NOT stepping in in Austin is the wisest decision for his 'development' path. Then again, his F1 experience now might do him a lot of good for the SuperFormula.

[Vasconia]

Well Gasly hasn't been all that impressive.

With 0 experience in F1 I think his performance has been good so far.

Same went for DannyRic, Max Verstappen, Carlos Sainz and they all are absolute GODS compared to Gasly.
Godlameroso is right, Gasly has been all but impressive.

Sure give it time would be smart, but that doesn't take away that from seeing him spooned in midseason/endseason, one would have expected more from him if such a decision is made instead of just 'spooning' him in next year.

Then again, i must admit, we sometimes are mistaken on how difficult it can be. I remember Massa's incident and his replacements. I remember Luca Badoer stepping in. Not that he ever was on any 'A-star' driver capacities or anything really special, but he struggled so much it was embarassing, and it was hardly his fault. Fisichella, driving for Force India all year long then took over and didn't really do much better. A bit, but not much. Kimi was on a whole other level though. Neither Badoer or Fisichella came even remotely close to Massa or Raikkonen's performances,
despite Fisichella being far from a bad driver, and again, Badoer wasn't the worst either. Neither of both were 'Ericsson' or 'Palmer' cr*p, but in that Ferrari, well, they were exactly that somehow.

So agreed, wait and see but i do wonder whether NOT stepping in in Austin is the wisest decision for his 'development' path. Then again, his F1 experience now might do him a lot of good for the SuperFormula.

Not all the drivers can deliver some great performances from the very first races, only a very few ones have done it in fact. Gasly was close Sainz in the first qualy and not so far in the second. His race pace hasn´t been that bad in two races where TR hasn´t worked well at all. Its much easier if you begin your F1 career with a top team and a great car. I think he has done a decent job so far so it would be fair to give him more time. Now it will be interesting to see how he performs in comparison to Daniil( I guess he will be back in Austin).

[Phil]

I really hope they put in Buemi for that one race in Austin.

[f1316]

With 0 experience in F1 I think his performance has been good so far.

Same went for DannyRic, Max Verstappen, Carlos Sainz and they all are absolute GODS compared to Gasly.
Godlameroso is right, Gasly has been all but impressive.

Sure give it time would be smart, but that doesn't take away that from seeing him spooned in midseason/endseason, one would have expected more from him if such a decision is made instead of just 'spooning' him in next year.

Then again, i must admit, we sometimes are mistaken on how difficult it can be. I remember Massa's incident and his replacements. I remember Luca Badoer stepping in. Not that he ever was on any 'A-star' driver capacities or anything really special, but he struggled so much it was embarassing, and it was hardly his fault. Fisichella, driving for Force India all year long then took over and didn't really do much better. A bit, but not much. Kimi was on a whole other level though. Neither Badoer or Fisichella came even remotely close to Massa or Raikkonen's performances,
despite Fisichella being far from a bad driver, and again, Badoer wasn't the worst either. Neither of both were 'Ericsson' or 'Palmer' cr*p, but in that Ferrari, well, they were exactly that somehow.

So agreed, wait and see but i do wonder whether NOT stepping in in Austin is the wisest decision for his 'development' path. Then again, his F1 experience now might do him a lot of good for the SuperFormula.

Not all the drivers can deliver some great performances from the very first races, only a very few ones have done it in fact. Gasly was close Sainz in the first qualy and not so far in the second. His race pace hasn´t been that bad in two races where TR hasn´t worked well at all. Its much easier if you begin your F1 career with a top team and a great car. I think he has done a decent job so far so it would be fair to give him more time. Now it will be interesting to see how he performs in comparison to Daniil( I guess he will be back in Austin).

We lost the benchmark for Gasly’s race performance when Sainz span but factually he did beat Sainz and didn’t make the kind of first lap spin you’d expect more from the rookie than the guy moving onwards and upwards.

Gasly’s quali performance vs Sainz was pretty darn strong in his first race, I thought, so I think there’s clear promise, and he’s been very good in super formula.

It’s actually a much more telling and relevant test to have him up against Kvyatt though - anything he did against Sainz could be pretty much written off by “well, Sainz is pretty good” whereas now he has to show he’s a better option than Kyvatt for the future. Daniil is actually pretty quick in quali - close to Sainz who, lest we forget, beat max in their only full year quali battle - so wouldn’t be surprised if he’s consistently ahead in quali for the rest of the year, but his race craft is fairly patchy (at best) so if Gasly can show himself to be a steadier hand at the wheel that should put the final nail in the Russian’s coffin.

[Raleigh]

Then again, i must admit, we sometimes are mistaken on how difficult it can be. I remember Massa's incident and his replacements. I remember Luca Badoer stepping in. Not that he ever was on any 'A-star' driver capacities or anything really special, but he struggled so much it was embarassing, and it was hardly his fault. Fisichella, driving for Force India all year long then took over and didn't really do much better. A bit, but not much. Kimi was on a whole other level though. Neither Badoer or Fisichella came even remotely close to Massa or Raikkonen's performances,
despite Fisichella being far from a bad driver, and again, Badoer wasn't the worst either. Neither of both were 'Ericsson' or 'Palmer' cr*p, but in that Ferrari, well, they were exactly that somehow.

Fisichella went directly from a 2nd place finish at Force India to trailing round outside the points in the Ferrari, the Ferrari was fast but had a very narrow performance window.

I don't think that's the case with Gasly though, he's been very close to Sainz in performance so it seems to be general lack of performance from the car in these last few races.

[HPD]

It's a shame that Gasly misses the Super Formula Championship.

Edit: According to AMUS, Gasly will run the Super Formula at the request of Honda.
Toro Rosso is looking for drivers.

[Fulcrum]

If true, it would be fun if Kubica could snag this one-off drive. Highly unlikely though. I'd imagine a Red Bull or Honda affiliated driver would be first in line for the opportunity.

I wonder if someone from a Honda-powered IndyCar might be an option, considering the race is in the States? Takuma Sato, Alexander Rossi, Max Chilton, Sebastian Bourdais, and Esteban Gutierrez have all driven in F1 before.

My personal favourite - but definitely not likely- would be Scott Dixon.

[godlameroso]

After watching the race I take it back. He's quite decent and should be fine along Kvyat. I wonder if they'll be behind Sauber next year.

[Singabule]

I hope it is Rossi for austin, as honda and America always made a good vibe. I vote gasly to race at final race super formula, and if he win, he May brought huge honda fan to support STR. Plus, become super formula champion is a great achievement, especially when you are not a japanese. For Rossi, i think his achievement in indycar is very good, yet F1 is from another galaxy and never turn down if there is Any opportunity to drive it again