2017 Mexico Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, 27-29 October

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I disagree that Hamilton will cruise to finish in the top 5. I firmly beleive he will push for the win.

He witnessed last year how pathetic it is to just cruise in the last races and win.... by not winning.

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djones wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 13:03
I disagree that Hamilton will cruise to finish in the top 5. I firmly beleive he will push for the win.

He witnessed last year how pathetic it is to just cruise in the last races and win.... by not winning.
Him not fighting Verstappen in Malaysia says otherwise.

Wanting to win is one thing. Doing it at the cost of a WDC? That's totally different.

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Hamilton will try stay out of trouble. He lost 2-3 titles (depending on your point of view) because of risky situations and subsequent contacts. If it turns out during the race that the car has the pace to win, he might go for it, but will stay sensible for the most part. Especially at the start. Even then you never know tho.
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Restomaniac wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 13:28
Him not fighting Verstappen in Malaysia says otherwise.
Him not fighting Verstappen in Malaysia was being smart. Smart in the sense he was ahead, his car was derating and he knew he had a young hot-head behind him who was clearly quicker (according to post-race interview by Hamilton and Toto, they knew by as much as 4 tenths down on RedBull). So when Max made a last second lunge, he didn't defend too hard because he was aware he was battling against someone who had nothing to lose and was going to get by eventually anyway.

Right now, we know Hamilton is starting in 3rd, behind both Max and Seb. We don't know how the race pace stacks up, but Hamilton was extremely strong on the ultra-softs in FP2 which suggest the Mercedes may have some pace during the race. The question is; if Hamilton has the pace advantage over both Seb and Max during the race, will he just stick behind or will he actually make a move if the opportunity presents himself?

In my opinion, Hamilton will be cautious at the start. If he has a great start, he may go for it. After that, overtaking is going to be difficult, so who knows, maybe, assuming he has strong race pace, could do something on strategy. But overall, I don't think Mexico is the type of track that allows for many overtaking possibilities (despite the long straights). To successfully pull one off, you may need to be quite aggressive, something I'm not sure Hamilton will be willing to do. The start will be crucial though and perhaps present an opportunity to at least get by Max starting off the dirty side of the track. If it's him vs Seb, all bets are off and we may see more aggressive driving.

On the other hand though, the power issues Hamilton had during qualifying may mean he may just cruise the entire race not to hit any technical issues.
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Phil wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 13:36
Restomaniac wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 13:28
Him not fighting Verstappen in Malaysia says otherwise.
Him not fighting Verstappen in Malaysia was being smart. Smart in the sense he was ahead, his car was derating and he knew he had a young hot-head behind him who was clearly quicker (according to post-race interview by Hamilton and Toto, they knew by as much as 4 tenths down on RedBull). So when Max made a last second lunge, he didn't defend too hard because he was aware he was battling against someone who had nothing to lose and was going to get by eventually anyway.

Right now, we know Hamilton is starting in 3rd, behind both Max and Seb. We don't know how the race pace stacks up, but Hamilton was extremely strong on the ultra-softs in FP2 which suggest the Mercedes may have some pace during the race. The question is; if Hamilton has the pace advantage over both Seb and Max during the race, will he just stick behind or will he actually make a move if the opportunity presents himself?

In my opinion, Hamilton will be cautious at the start. If he has a great start, he may go for it. After that, overtaking is going to be difficult, so who knows, maybe, assuming he has strong race pace, could do something on strategy. But overall, I don't think Mexico is the type of track that allows for many overtaking possibilities (despite the long straights). To successfully pull one off, you may need to be quite aggressive, something I'm not sure Hamilton will be willing to do. The start will be crucial though and perhaps present an opportunity to at least get by Max starting off the dirty side of the track. If it's him vs Seb, all bets are off and we may see more aggressive driving.

On the other hand though, the power issues Hamilton had during qualifying may mean he may just cruise the entire race not to hit any technical issues.
With VET having to win and VER having no special respect for VET, the smartest thing, even if the WC wouldn't be on the line, is taking a backseat for the first half of the race. There is real pliability that those two will destroy each others race one way or the other (tires and/or bodywork).

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BUt he has double tow towards first corner and its waaaay after lights out. Seb, if he goes well after lights will find himself in difficult position with 2 cars in tow behind him

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it will be an iconic start. VES and VET forcing each other over those baguettes.
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Phil wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 13:36
Restomaniac wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 13:28
Him not fighting Verstappen in Malaysia says otherwise.
Him not fighting Verstappen in Malaysia was being smart. Smart in the sense he was ahead, his car was derating and he knew he had a young hot-head behind him who was clearly quicker (according to post-race interview by Hamilton and Toto, they knew by as much as 4 tenths down on RedBull). So when Max made a last second lunge, he didn't defend too hard because he was aware he was battling against someone who had nothing to lose and was going to get by eventually anyway.

Right now, we know Hamilton is starting in 3rd, behind both Max and Seb. We don't know how the race pace stacks up, but Hamilton was extremely strong on the ultra-softs in FP2 which suggest the Mercedes may have some pace during the race. The question is; if Hamilton has the pace advantage over both Seb and Max during the race, will he just stick behind or will he actually make a move if the opportunity presents himself?

In my opinion, Hamilton will be cautious at the start. If he has a great start, he may go for it. After that, overtaking is going to be difficult, so who knows, maybe, assuming he has strong race pace, could do something on strategy. But overall, I don't think Mexico is the type of track that allows for many overtaking possibilities (despite the long straights). To successfully pull one off, you may need to be quite aggressive, something I'm not sure Hamilton will be willing to do. The start will be crucial though and perhaps present an opportunity to at least get by Max starting off the dirty side of the track. If it's him vs Seb, all bets are off and we may see more aggressive driving.

On the other hand though, the power issues Hamilton had during qualifying may mean he may just cruise the entire race not to hit any technical issues.
He could have fought at Malaysia if he had wanted. He instead he chose to pretty much wave Verstappen past.

Look in Singapore. Hamilton drove around the outside staying miles away from trouble. I'm picturing similar today. Let Vettel and Verstappen go nuts into turn 1 whilst Hamilton Keeps his nose clean.

Most overtaking happens in the pits if he wants the place I'm sure we will hear 'hammertime' today.

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Restomaniac wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 15:20
He could have fought at Malaysia if he had wanted. He instead he chose to pretty much wave Verstappen past.
If he had, he might have risked a collision - a collision that happened in Singapore when Vettel was defending hard against Max.
Restomaniac wrote:Look in Singapore. Hamilton drove around the outside staying miles away from trouble. I'm picturing similar today. Let Vettel and Verstappen go nuts into turn 1 whilst Hamilton Keeps his nose clean.
I don't actually buy this. Hamilton wasn't on the outside because he had an amazing foresight of what was about to happen in front of him. He was there because he avoided Ricciardo who had a very bad start and the rest was determined by a lot of luck.
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Of course.

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Phil wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 15:30
Restomaniac wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 15:20
He could have fought at Malaysia if he had wanted. He instead he chose to pretty much wave Verstappen past.
If he had, he might have risked a collision - a collision that happened in Singapore when Vettel was defending hard against Max.
Restomaniac wrote:Look in Singapore. Hamilton drove around the outside staying miles away from trouble. I'm picturing similar today. Let Vettel and Verstappen go nuts into turn 1 whilst Hamilton Keeps his nose clean.
I don't actually buy this. Hamilton wasn't on the outside because he had an amazing foresight of what was about to happen in front of him. He was there because he avoided Ricciardo who had a very bad start and the rest was determined by a lot of luck.
That's my point. Wave Verstappen through or risk it all in Malaysia. The long game suggests letting Verstappen through. Which he did. Something Vettel didn't in Singapore. Don't get me wrong Verstappen was clearly quicker and would have gotten past but it could have required banging wheels if Hamilton wanted to stick his elbows out.


The safest course in Singapore was to stay wide and find some space and avoid everyone diving for the Apex which he did. It had nothing to do with seeing into the future.
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Hamilton for 3rd. More than he needs for the Championship, but celebrating on the podium would be ideal.

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Hamilton will overtake both on track and take the win in style! 😎
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 16:42
Hamilton will overtake both on track and take the win in style! 😎
If he has the pace, sure. I gather he's going for a 1-stop though, and perhaps V and S are 2-stopping? So maybe he'll be defending at the end.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
29 Oct 2017, 16:42
Hamilton will overtake both on track and take the win in style! 😎
And If not, he will have waved them through or his car just wasn't good here. So the outcome doesn't really matter, Hamilton is always best. We all know that so why the need to prove that in every single post still exists is a bit of a riddle to me.

Seriously, the long run pace was fine so he still has chance, Lets see them race.