2017 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 10-12 November

[GPR-A duplicate2]

It was a really good battle between Bottas and the Ferraris. On the edge stuff.

Can Mercedes change everything on Hamilton's car (all pu internals - battery packs, icu, turbo, control elec. etc.), plus gearbox ? I mean... they surely can't go lower than last. But are they actually allowed to (don't know the rule exactly)?

Sure they can, Vettel did in Malaysia.

If they do they will have to comply to the oil directive though.

Hmm... how much of a performance advantage would a 7 race completed PU offers (assuming that is the PU that is being used in every race AND THAT WAS THE SOLE REASON WHY MERCEDES WAS AHEAD OF FERRARI! considering, power was absolute need for Spa, Italy, Malaysia, Suzuka, USA and Mexico), with 300ml more oil to be used, compared to a brand new PU, with some amount of upgrade done, albeit less by 300ml of oil?

[godlameroso]

Yeah, I noticed the bottoming out too. Before he loses the car, there are a lot of sparks underneath the car, yet from the onboard, he wasn't really on the brakes (perhaps off throttle?).

Steering column snapped.....

Jokes aside, should be a good show tomorrow. I predict P5 for Lewis

If there's a safety car/VSC anything is possible, however if it's a clean dry race I don't think they can catch Alonso from way back, if he gets ahead of Perez on the opening lap I'm pretty sure he can hold down 5th. In Mexico he was stuck behind a slower Haas and wasn't able to use his pace, tomorrow everyone in front of him is faster so that will give him clean air to use his pace, which as we saw today is only 1 second slower. The gap needs to be over 1.4 seconds to make an overtake doable without a mistake from the lead driver.

[Sieper]

Alonso P7, less than 3 tenth of the best Red Bull!!!

That is incorrect. Verstappen was the best bull again, almost 7 tenths faster then Alonso.

[Sevach]

If they do they will have to comply to the oil directive though.

That would be the directive they already comply with, would it.

No proof of that whatsoever.

[Just_a_fan]

If they do they will have to comply to the oil directive though.

That would be the directive they already comply with, would it.

No proof of that whatsoever.

Likewise, no proof that they're not.

[stevesingo]

Ham should take a new PU and gearbox and start from the pit lane. This gives fresh components which only need to last two events, so turn it up to max, and the added option of being able to have a last minuet set up change if it rains.

[Sevach]

That would be the directive they already comply with, would it.

No proof of that whatsoever.

Likewise, no proof that they're not.

Yeah because they simply aren't measured to that standard...

You are the one who affirmed they already comply, i simply said the rule would start applying to them, burden of proof would be on you.

[jz11]

so I put my tinfoil hat on, and had a revelation, Lewis spun out on purpose, there is nothing for him winning the race from the pole (except some statistics), but a lot of fun to be had climbing the ladder from the very bottom, Bottas therefore is totally free to make his own luck and win the race, since Vettel will most likely tangle up with Max in the first couple corners, which may in turn elevate Bottas to #2 in the drivers standings

[DiogoBrand]

Is there a terrible echo on the sound everywhere else as well or is it just for the Brazilian broadcast?

[drunkf1fan]

Yeah, I noticed the bottoming out too. Before he loses the car, there are a lot of sparks underneath the car, yet from the onboard, he wasn't really on the brakes (perhaps off throttle?).

Steering column snapped.....

Jokes aside, should be a good show tomorrow. I predict P5 for Lewis

If there's a safety car/VSC anything is possible, however if it's a clean dry race I don't think they can catch Alonso from way back, if he gets ahead of Perez on the opening lap I'm pretty sure he can hold down 5th. In Mexico he was stuck behind a slower Haas and wasn't able to use his pace, tomorrow everyone in front of him is faster so that will give him clean air to use his pace, which as we saw today is only 1 second slower. The gap needs to be over 1.4 seconds to make an overtake doable without a mistake from the lead driver.

People really do latch on to things said, needing to be 1.4 seconds faster at one track doesn't mean you need that gap everywhere. Mexico is a freak track, where you have a ridiculously long straight and yet slipstreaming/drs barely works. You do not need to be 1.4seconds faster per lap full stop, vettel was not 1.4 seconds slower in COTA, Hamilton passed him anyway, Vettel was not 1.4 seconds faster than Hamilton and he passed him, same with Ricciardo on Bottas. 1.4 seconds was incredibly specific to Mexico and probably wasn't true anyway, not directly.

Aside from that position doesn't mean much of anything in general, time from the front does. You can come 5th and be 20 seconds behind the leader or 80seconds behind the leader. Alonso has had some okay position finishes but he's ended up mostly 70+ seconds behind the leaders. Vettel in Malaysia and using too much fuel so he had to back off massively he ended up 37 seconds back from Max, Max starting from 16th finished 12 seconds behind Hamilton in COTA, etc.

People get held up and lose time, or gain it in clean air but the general pace of the car pretty much dictates how close you can get to the front. Hamilton has a car that with good luck can finish ~15 seconds off the lead despite coming through the back and with bad luck should be within ~30 seconds, if there are safety cars at the right time he could easily get a podium.

Mexico and Alonso was actually ~130 seconds behind the leaders and despite how much he was held up, he didn't lose a minute, in Japan he was 99 seconds behind the leaders, Cota Alonso was 40 seconds back before midway and Vandoorne was 87 seconds off the lead by the end. That car has little race pace and has never had so.

Unless some miracle happens in the race I'll be extremely surprised if Perez, Hamilton and likely Ocon and Massa don't finish ahead of Alonso.

[Gaz.]

Ham should take a new PU and gearbox and start from the pit lane. This gives fresh components which only need to last two events, so turn it up to max, and the added option of being able to have a last minuet set up change if it rains.

It would be a no brainer but for reasons that elude me LH has rarely taken the option of a pit lane start vs 20th-22nd on the grid.

[Xero]

People really do latch on to things said, needing to be 1.4 seconds faster at one track doesn't mean you need that gap everywhere. Mexico is a freak track, where you have a ridiculously long straight and yet slipstreaming/drs barely works. You do not need to be 1.4seconds faster per lap full stop, vettel was not 1.4 seconds slower in COTA, Hamilton passed him anyway, Vettel was not 1.4 seconds faster than Hamilton and he passed him, same with Ricciardo on Bottas. 1.4 seconds was incredibly specific to Mexico and probably wasn't true anyway, not directly.

Aside from that position doesn't mean much of anything in general, time from the front does. You can come 5th and be 20 seconds behind the leader or 80seconds behind the leader. Alonso has had some okay position finishes but he's ended up mostly 70+ seconds behind the leaders. Vettel in Malaysia and using too much fuel so he had to back off massively he ended up 37 seconds back from Max, Max starting from 16th finished 12 seconds behind Hamilton in COTA, etc.

People get held up and lose time, or gain it in clean air but the general pace of the car pretty much dictates how close you can get to the front. Hamilton has a car that with good luck can finish ~15 seconds off the lead despite coming through the back and with bad luck should be within ~30 seconds, if there are safety cars at the right time he could easily get a podium.

Mexico and Alonso was actually ~130 seconds behind the leaders and despite how much he was held up, he didn't lose a minute, in Japan he was 99 seconds behind the leaders, Cota Alonso was 40 seconds back before midway and Vandoorne was 87 seconds off the lead by the end. That car has little race pace and has never had so.

Unless some miracle happens in the race I'll be extremely surprised if Perez, Hamilton and likely Ocon and Massa don't finish ahead of Alonso.

The main culprit for McLaren's lack of race pace has been down to poor deployment over longer distances. It shouldn't be such a hindrance around Interlagos, and the team were fairly upbeat about their race pace after practice. They've every reason to be optimistic, the car did look very good through the middle sector. Enough to create a buffer before the long run up the hill to T1? We'll see. Those Force India's are incredibly quick in a straight line, Alonso needs to get the job done at the start, which I expect he will.

[iotar__]

so I put my tinfoil hat on, and had a revelation, Lewis spun out on purpose, there is nothing for him winning the race from the pole (except some statistics), but a lot of fun to be had climbing the ladder from the very bottom, Bottas therefore is totally free to make his own luck and win the race, since Vettel will most likely tangle up with Max in the first couple corners, which may in turn elevate Bottas to #2 in the drivers standings

Hamilton crashed and destroyed the car on purpose so he can have "fun' of starting at the back instead of fun of winning the race ?

How to put politely - hat is not a problem but what's underneath it.

[proteus]

People really do latch on to things said, needing to be 1.4 seconds faster at one track doesn't mean you need that gap everywhere. Mexico is a freak track, where you have a ridiculously long straight and yet slipstreaming/drs barely works. You do not need to be 1.4seconds faster per lap full stop, vettel was not 1.4 seconds slower in COTA, Hamilton passed him anyway, Vettel was not 1.4 seconds faster than Hamilton and he passed him, same with Ricciardo on Bottas. 1.4 seconds was incredibly specific to Mexico and probably wasn't true anyway, not directly.

Aside from that position doesn't mean much of anything in general, time from the front does. You can come 5th and be 20 seconds behind the leader or 80seconds behind the leader. Alonso has had some okay position finishes but he's ended up mostly 70+ seconds behind the leaders. Vettel in Malaysia and using too much fuel so he had to back off massively he ended up 37 seconds back from Max, Max starting from 16th finished 12 seconds behind Hamilton in COTA, etc.

People get held up and lose time, or gain it in clean air but the general pace of the car pretty much dictates how close you can get to the front. Hamilton has a car that with good luck can finish ~15 seconds off the lead despite coming through the back and with bad luck should be within ~30 seconds, if there are safety cars at the right time he could easily get a podium.

Mexico and Alonso was actually ~130 seconds behind the leaders and despite how much he was held up, he didn't lose a minute, in Japan he was 99 seconds behind the leaders, Cota Alonso was 40 seconds back before midway and Vandoorne was 87 seconds off the lead by the end. That car has little race pace and has never had so.

Unless some miracle happens in the race I'll be extremely surprised if Perez, Hamilton and likely Ocon and Massa don't finish ahead of Alonso.

The main culprit for McLaren's lack of race pace has been down to poor deployment over longer distances. It shouldn't be such a hindrance around Interlagos, and the team were fairly upbeat about their race pace after practice. They've every reason to be optimistic, the car did look very good through the middle sector. Enough to create a buffer before the long run up the hill to T1? We'll see. Those Force India's are incredibly quick in a straight line, Alonso needs to get the job done at the start, which I expect he will.

Hopefully it wont be as so often was teh case this season, the engine losing power and shutting down somewhere in the middle of the race while being in top 10...

[jz11]

so I put my tinfoil hat on, and had a revelation, Lewis spun out on purpose, there is nothing for him winning the race from the pole (except some statistics), but a lot of fun to be had climbing the ladder from the very bottom, Bottas therefore is totally free to make his own luck and win the race, since Vettel will most likely tangle up with Max in the first couple corners, which may in turn elevate Bottas to #2 in the drivers standings

Hamilton crashed and destroyed the car on purpose so he can have "fun' of starting at the back instead of fun of winning the race ?

How to put politely - hat is not a problem but what's underneath it.

according to some forum members here, Vettel can slice competitor tires at will while keeping his front wing intact, so why wouldn't Hamilton crash out on purpose and hide it as a clumsy gear change...

and I guess you didn't get the point of the silly tin foil hat