They said they were going to be equal with Ferrari by Spa...2015.
Not sure that they have equalled Ferrari's performance from Spa 2015 yet.
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They said they were going to be equal with Ferrari by Spa...2015.
) PU's. And as long as there is no heavy tangible evidence this will change, let's stick to that Premise.#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
There's speculating and then there's ignoring all available evidence because it doesn't fit your pet theory.
And now with evidence for all of those bold statements. There is not one source that tells that RB have fitted a Honda engine in an RB13, or if the 2018 engine performs better than Renault's. As someone before stated: Red Bull's entry on the FIA entry list shows they'll use a Tag Heuer PU in 2018, and if they don't they will not score any constructor points. The only option would then be that they rebrand their Honda PU to a Tag Heuer one, but why would Honda buy that?carisi2k wrote: ↑15 Feb 2018, 22:58ignoring what evidence.
1. Renault have been absent from red bull all winter and Red Bull have said nothing about Renault aside from one statement that apparently they are over there reliability issues only last week.
2. Honda have been at red bull all winter and Red Bull know how good the new Honda is and have been testing the Honda in an RB13 chassis since about october but have no idea of how the new Renault will be.
3. Red Bull have had several months of seeing the Honda to know if it is as good as we are hearing.
4. There is nothing linking Red Bull and Renault from a sponsorship point of view.
5. Red Bull have been singing the praises of Honda and totally dissing Mclaren in how they dealt with Honda.
6. STR13 looks like it is going to be extremely competitive against the mid pack.
7. Max has been to the Honda factory and has resigned with Red Bull.
8. Red Bull and Toro Rosso would both be factory teams and so paying out Renault contract would not require paying Honda for engines.
9. Red Bull and Renault hate each other and the engine supply was only out of necessity. Both parties would welcome a split.
10 Information from this site puts the 2018 Honda engine ahead of Renault already and reliability is not a concern.
There is a new piece on AMUS on the 2018 engines, again mostly speculation like yours but there is a nugget of information that will burst your theory. Dr. Marko is quoted (who obviously knows the 2017 Renault and 2018 Honda performance) as: he thinks!! Honda will maybe!!! catch Renault by mid season. So maybe and thinks arent really strong praises for Honda, only praise was prolly the reliability on the dyno.carisi2k wrote: ↑15 Feb 2018, 22:58ignoring what evidence.
1. Renault have been absent from red bull all winter and Red Bull have said nothing about Renault aside from one statement that apparently they are over there reliability issues only last week.
2. Honda have been at red bull all winter and Red Bull know how good the new Honda is and have been testing the Honda in an RB13 chassis since about october but have no idea of how the new Renault will be.
3. Red Bull have had several months of seeing the Honda to know if it is as good as we are hearing.
4. There is nothing linking Red Bull and Renault from a sponsorship point of view.
5. Red Bull have been singing the praises of Honda and totally dissing Mclaren in how they dealt with Honda.
6. STR13 looks like it is going to be extremely competitive against the mid pack.
7. Max has been to the Honda factory and has resigned with Red Bull.
8. Red Bull and Toro Rosso would both be factory teams and so paying out Renault contract would not require paying Honda for engines.
9. Red Bull and Renault hate each other and the engine supply was only out of necessity. Both parties would welcome a split.
10 Information from this site puts the 2018 Honda engine ahead of Renault already and reliability is not a concern.
Source? How do you know that they have been "absent"?
How do you know RedBull have fitted a Honda engine to an old chassis? Also, are we expected to believe that RedBull haven't seen the Renault engine yet? Really?2. Honda have been at red bull all winter and Red Bull know how good the new Honda is and have been testing the Honda in an RB13 chassis since about october but have no idea of how the new Renault will be.
We're hearing? From whom? When?3. Red Bull have had several months of seeing the Honda to know if it is as good as we are hearing.
Like last year, you mean?4. There is nothing linking Red Bull and Renault from a sponsorship point of view.
Standard political mind games. Moving on...5. Red Bull have been singing the praises of Honda and totally dissing Mclaren in how they dealt with Honda.
They haven't even launched the car yet, let alone run it on track with others. How the heck do you conclude that they look competitive?6. STR13 looks like it is going to be extremely competitive against the mid pack.
Max will want to be in a Mercedes, a Ferrari or a RedBull in that order. The first two are unavailable so he stays where he is. Engine supplier is pretty much irrelevant to that.7. Max has been to the Honda factory and has resigned with Red Bull.
Er, not sure that's right - two factory teams would be one big bill too many even for Honda8. Red Bull and Toro Rosso would both be factory teams and so paying out Renault contract would not require paying Honda for engines.
True. There is no love lost between them and no doubt Renault will be glad to see the back of RedBull after years of name-calling and blaming.9. Red Bull and Renault hate each other and the engine supply was only out of necessity. Both parties would welcome a split.
What information? Who knows the respective outputs of the two units? Reliability is a concern, especially in an engine-limited series.10 Information from this site puts the 2018 Honda engine ahead of Renault already and reliability is not a concern.
#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
my guess is no.
The two unveiled cars so far have had Ferrari influence on their design (one had the aero guy from Ferrari and the other basically a team that buys parts from Ferrari). I don't think RB will go that way, they have a different philosophy of design IMHO.
