Turkish Grand Prix 2008

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I really enjoyed that race, it was nice to see the top guys fighting again, and it looks like McLaren have made some more progress, not sure how much, but some.

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The fuel and tyre strategies were a big surprise. Hamilton really lost this one in qualifying and for the first time I have heared Ron being cxritical about him this year. He made a nice pass and earned some credit back. What went through Fisico's mind to ram a car in such a way? Mechanical fault? Nick did a reasonable job of damage limitation to get the car on 5th from 9oth. All the point scorers were doing fine and I'm pleased for Nico he got into the points. Alonso and Webber equaliy fine drives. Nakajima got a fair reward for tailending Kubica in Melbourne although I must say he didn't deserve the scare to have a car flying all the way across his head. Kimi was surprisingly anonymous this race. Something doesn't agree with this track for him?

Heikki was unfortunate once again but managed to get some miles done and get the car home. Piquet was as useless in the race as he was in qualifying. How long will Flav tolerate this kind of driving. Glock did some nice action with Heikki. I enjoyed that very much. Bourdasi was another bad luck candidate with a probable front brake disk failure. We see as worrying amount of component failures. Good luck in the bad luck saw a huge gravel bed in his way instead of a wall. Sutil and Vettel managed to finish the race and that is good for both. The track is interesting and it was a good race.
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I was looking for great things today from Heikki Kovalainen. Unfortunately, his slow start put him into a position too close to Kimi R resulting in the tire puncture. I have heard no comments about his start. What is being said in Europe about his start and being passed by Hamilton before Turn 1?
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as assumed kimi did fade away in the race and his start was very bad hope people accept it he lost the race in the first stint behind kubica and well told u guys he ain't great in this track :D if kovy was alright he woulnt have been third too i guess [-o<

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Ciro Pabón
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WhiteBlue wrote:The fuel and tyre strategies were a big surprise. Hamilton really lost this one in qualifying and for the first time I have heared Ron being cxritical about him this year.
Well, that was was posted after the race, by Jerste at GP Lounge. Funny:
Lewis Hamilton was the only driver to be asked by Bridgestone to adopt a three-stop strategy for the Turkish Grand Prix. The recommendation was made to the British driver's McLaren team after signs of delamination were detected inside his tyres - particularly the front right - after the practice and qualifying sessions at Istanbul Park. Hamilton suffered a tyre failure at the same circuit one year ago, but even a universal construction change for 2008 did not solve the problem that is caused by his unique driving style in the long turn-eight. "Nobody else has had a repetition of any of those problems this year, with the exception of Lewis"
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Interesting info. Doesn't change the fact that Ron thought Hamilton could have taken pole with the low fuel load. From pole he obviously would not have been stuck behind Massa in the first laps and won the race.

Lewis Hamilton in the press conference
... I was able to outbrake him and pass and pull away. Perhaps if that had happened earlier we could have won the race or if I had done a better job in qualifying we probably would have won the race.
Heikki outqualified him btw with more fuel on board.
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A big big :shock: for Nelsinho.
Nelson Piquet (15th): "I am satisfied with my performance today. My race started badly as I had to avoid the accident at the start which held me up. After that we just stuck to our strategy and tried to make up ground. The most important thing is that I finished the race and I have gained some more experience. I would have liked to finish further up, but I think that my weekend was determined during the qualifying session yesterday. I will make the most of what I have learned this weekend and put it to use at the next Grand Prix in Monaco, which will be an exciting race."
He doesn´t seem to have what it takes to be in F1.
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sriraj1031 wrote:as assumed kimi did fade away in the race and his start was very bad hope people accept it he lost the race in the first stint behind kubica and well told u guys he ain't great in this track :D if kovy was alright he woulnt have been third too i guess [-o<
well i agree about first stint.

he ain't great on this track with fastest lap again I guess?

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WhiteBlue wrote:Interesting info. Doesn't change the fact that Ron thought Hamilton could have taken pole with the low fuel load. From pole he obviously would not have been stuck behind Massa in the first laps and won the race.
I have to disagree. Nothing is for certain in Formula 1. Saying that a particular driver would have won from pole, no doubt, is foolish at best. Besides, Lewis was tearing his tires up so bad they put him on a three stop strategy. I guess Alonso was worth more than people realize to Hammy. At least Heikki can set his car up.

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oops, I need to write more carfull. of course nothing is certain but I meant I was confident that he had a fat chance to finish first.
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Nelsinho needs to go away. Maybe he can take his money to Williams?

Nico deserves a better ride. Replacing Piquet?

I trust we can now let Massa at least finish the season before Vettel replaces him?

Turkey was a prety good race. BMW still needs a tenth or two. Renault needs two or three tenths. Honda still floundering. Amazing how Toyota manages to achieve so little with so much.

Have to favor McLaren in Monaco if it's a straight fight. BUT, what if BMW (or Renault?) goes VERY light and gets the pole? IF Ferrari wins, the season could be over.
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donskar wrote:Nelsinho needs to go away. Maybe he can take his money to Williams?

Nico deserves a better ride. Replacing Piquet?

I trust we can now let Massa at least finish the season before Vettel replaces him?
I doubt Williams can afford Nelsinho and Nakajima crashing alot of the time :P
Nico deserves a better ride, but where? Renault seem to be getting faster and faster. Alonso is quite the driver then and quite an inspiration to Renault in bringing this turn of speed.
I believe that Vettel is heading for Red Bull at the end of the season. It's entirely possible that he'll end up in Ferrari if there's a seat though.

Massa will finish the season. If the rumours are correct and Kimi is leaving at the end of the year(assuming he gets another drivers title) will we see a Vettel and Massa ferrari line up? Or will Nico be fighting in for a seat with Ferrari or even RBR?
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Ciro Pabón
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Kimi leaving at the end of the year? Why? Wow. Any links?

Well said, Donskar.
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Ciro Pabón wrote:Kimi leaving at the end of the year? Why? Wow. Any links?

Well said, Donskar.
I keep hearing it from the ITV-F1 lot. So it may not be true. It's supposed to be speculated in a German Auto magazine. Auto-Bild, something like that =s
This is complete rumour, but one I've heard none the less. I'll get a friend (that knows German) to have a search on the site. Unless some of you know and wish to have a search aswell
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Ciro Pabón
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Thanks, roost. I searched and found Domenicali rejecting the idea:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/30042008/ ... mours.html
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