2018 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai, April 13-15

[Zynerji]

I think it's due to the regulation changes regarding the retention system, and the teams underestimating the impact that this has.

Maybe but removing the human element can't help.

Computer systems are very binary and sensors can fail. The human grey matter can spot something screwey that happens unexpectedly outside the norm where as unless it's programmed to see it a computer system wouldn't see the issue at all.

I just think we need to be careful how much 'human oversight' we remove.

You say that but how often did we see the lollipop man raising it too early? I seem to remember them bringing it back down on top of someone’s helmet once.

My point being that humans can also make mistakes.

The real solution - as it is with tyres as well - is refuelling, as it gives much more margin for the tyres; people will argue it adds even more safety issues but I don’t agree - there are plenty of additional things that could be done to ensure safe fuel stops.

The real solution is only having 6 total people on a pit stop. 2 Jack men, 2 wheel changers, 2 wheel gun men.

They would move to about 9 seconds, plenty of time to be sure it's proper before release.

[NathanOlder]

I swear I'd be a Hamilton fan if not for how incredibly lucky he is, it frustrates me. Last week another example... Not only do most of his competition that qualified in front of him dnf, his tire somehow was fine from rubbing against a rivals tire that went flat. Vettel's behavior at Mexico and Baku disgusted me but my heart cheers him on because I don't want to see Mercedes dominate any more. I'm dumb, I know.

Most of the people who qualified in front of him, well 3 people qualified in front of him. Only 1 retired, and at the time technically he was behind Hamilton when he retired. He had bad luck meaning he started 9th. Of the 8 starting in front of him, 2 retired. 1 was Kimi , like I said, he was in the pits and coming out behind Hamilton. The other was Danny Ric, he was the only one to retire from in front of Hamilton, and he was only in front of Hamilton because of Hamiltons BAD LUCK with a gearbox change.

So please dont talk nonsense .

[Vettel165]

FP2 comparison 1. stint longrun:

Max (10 laps):
1:38.811
1:38.882
1:39.057
1:39.199
1:39.338
1:39.424
1:39.192
1:38.837
1:39.099
1:39.113
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Avg: 1:39.095

Lewis (8 laps):
1:40.072
1:38.865
1:38.960
1:38.759
1:39.012
1:39.258
1:39.289
1:39.384
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Avg: 1:39.200

Daniel (7 laps):
1:39.268
1:38.826
1:39.210
1:39.128
1:41.276 (traffic)
1:39.293
1:39.217
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Avg: 1:39.460

Seb (6 laps):
1:38.651
1:38.813
1:39.317
1:40.259
1:40.410
1:40.348
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Avg: 1:39.633

Valtteri (7 laps):
1:38.702
1:39.422
1:39.325
1:49.871 (traffic)
1:39.167
1:39.398
1:39.256
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Avg: 1:40.734

Kimi did only 3 laps:
1:38.696
1:38.769
1:39.321

Thank you, looks like Kimi,Seb looked the fastest on US (Bottas fastest lap time was also nearly identical to the both Ferrari drivers), but Seb had a big drop of time then. Which definitely isnt tyre wear related.Nice pace from Ferrari, but we (Ferrari) still need to find some improvement through the night to have a decent chance for pole. Otherwise I see a Hamilton domination in Q3. Vettel said that the car isnt there where he wants it to be in corners. But with this small issues, Ferrari are still very fast. It will be interesting to see what will happen tomorrow, everything is possible.

Also looks like Kimi had a different setup as Seb, Seb was faster in S2, Kimi in S1,S3. They were trying different things today.

Forza Ferrari, Vettel, Kimi.

[JonoNic]

Maybe but removing the human element can't help.

Computer systems are very binary and sensors can fail. The human grey matter can spot something screwey that happens unexpectedly outside the norm where as unless it's programmed to see it a computer system wouldn't see the issue at all.

I just think we need to be careful how much 'human oversight' we remove.

You say that but how often did we see the lollipop man raising it too early? I seem to remember them bringing it back down on top of someone’s helmet once.

My point being that humans can also make mistakes.

The real solution - as it is with tyres as well - is refuelling, as it gives much more margin for the tyres; people will argue it adds even more safety issues but I don’t agree - there are plenty of additional things that could be done to ensure safe fuel stops.

The real solution is only having 6 total people on a pit stop. 2 Jack men, 2 wheel changers, 2 wheel gun men.

They would move to about 9 seconds, plenty of time to be sure it's proper before release.

Most clean (no v/sc) races will be one stoppers then...

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[motobaleno]

Most clean (no v/sc) races will be one stoppers then...

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They already are, to be true...

[MtthsMlw]

[media]https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/984779463912280065[/media]

[dren]

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/stat ... 1175318529

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/stat ... 3758451713

Looks like Hamilton has about a tenth or so edge in Q and race. It's close.

[Zynerji]

You say that but how often did we see the lollipop man raising it too early? I seem to remember them bringing it back down on top of someone’s helmet once.

My point being that humans can also make mistakes.

The real solution - as it is with tyres as well - is refuelling, as it gives much more margin for the tyres; people will argue it adds even more safety issues but I don’t agree - there are plenty of additional things that could be done to ensure safe fuel stops.

The real solution is only having 6 total people on a pit stop. 2 Jack men, 2 wheel changers, 2 wheel gun men.

They would move to about 9 seconds, plenty of time to be sure it's proper before release.

Most clean (no v/sc) races will be one stoppers then...

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We have 1 stoppers already, and how many races actually have no vsc/sc?

[Big Mangalhit]

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/984779463912280065

Great news. Comes to late. I actually enjoy the flow limit, makes them push boundaries but the race limit is just stupid and promotes lift and coast.

[Unc1eM0nty]

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/984779463912280065

Great news. Comes to late. I actually enjoy the flow limit, makes them push boundaries but the race limit is just stupid and promotes lift and coast.

Will this make any difference ? they under fuel at all tracks anyway don't they

[NathanOlder]

https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/984779463912280065

Great news. Comes to late. I actually enjoy the flow limit, makes them push boundaries but the race limit is just stupid and promotes lift and coast.

Will this make any difference ? they under fuel at all tracks anyway don't they

Exactly what I was thinking

[LM10]

Most of the people who qualified in front of him, well 3 people qualified in front of him. Only 1 retired, and at the time technically he was behind Hamilton when he retired. He had bad luck meaning he started 9th. Of the 8 starting in front of him, 2 retired. 1 was Kimi , like I said, he was in the pits and coming out behind Hamilton. The other was Danny Ric, he was the only one to retire from in front of Hamilton, and he was only in front of Hamilton because of Hamiltons BAD LUCK with a gearbox change.

So please dont talk nonsense .

That's true, but I don't think Kimi on fresh Supersofts would have had a hard time overtaking Hamilton.

[digitalrurouni]

They under fuel yes but I would think if the limit got removed (yay!) they would still under fuel to the point where lift and coast will possibly be not required? One can hope? I like the changes Liberty is trying to bring around. Get rid of the stupid 3 engine limit please. Let the drivers fight! Let's not make qualifying determine 80% of the time the winners of the race!!

[NathanOlder]

Most of the people who qualified in front of him, well 3 people qualified in front of him. Only 1 retired, and at the time technically he was behind Hamilton when he retired. He had bad luck meaning he started 9th. Of the 8 starting in front of him, 2 retired. 1 was Kimi , like I said, he was in the pits and coming out behind Hamilton. The other was Danny Ric, he was the only one to retire from in front of Hamilton, and he was only in front of Hamilton because of Hamiltons BAD LUCK with a gearbox change.

So please dont talk nonsense .

That's true, but I don't think Kimi on fresh Supersofts would have had a hard time overtaking Hamilton.

I agree, but the fact remains, Kimi was behind Hamilton when he retired. I was just pointing out that fact as Brenton was saying most of the people in front of Hamilton retired, when in fact it was JUST 1

[Singabule]

Great news. Comes to late. I actually enjoy the flow limit, makes them push boundaries but the race limit is just stupid and promotes lift and coast.

Will this make any difference ? they under fuel at all tracks anyway don't they

Exactly what I was thinking

No if you use renault and Honda, especially in power hungry circuit. Nice, we could see ALS return!