2018 Monaco Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, May 24-27

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If RIC's Mgu-k is permanently damaged will he get a grid penalty in Canada? Or is his first mgu-k still usable?

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I'm also 'slightly' surprised Ferrari didn't consider leaving Raikkonen out, track position being what it is around here. I mean, considering they've done this at other tracks where he's been literally defenceless, why not here? The irony is, he might have ended up winning, what with Ricciardo's issue; and if not, helped to kill Ricciardo's tyres to aid Vettel.

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Wynters wrote:
27 May 2018, 18:44
TheGkbrk wrote:
27 May 2018, 18:25
For some track excitement, pitting Ham could have been nice but it wouldn't be a logical decision for a leading title contender
Agreed :( I wonder what the delta between chmpionship rivals is for an overtake here? If Vettel was 5 seconds faster and couldn't even got close to Daniel... :(
I don’t think it is really about a delta. There is only one overtake possibility and that is on the brakes mainly.

I think he could have tried an attack, but he was quite satisfied with where he was.

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Hamilton was badgering his engineer to instigate another pitstop by constantly complaining about his second set of tyres and he got his wish I think when at one point he was told to go "strat 6". On reflection he decided to play the long game and thanked his team for listening but would stay out to see what developed later.
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nevill3 wrote:
27 May 2018, 19:33
Hamilton was badgering his engineer to instigate another pitstop by constantly complaining about his second set of tyres and he got his wish I think when at one point he was told to go "strat 6". On reflection he decided to play the long game and thanked his team for listening but would stay out to see what developed later.
He was also trying to induce other teams to pit aswell...by saying the tyres won't last etc, he hoped others would pit before him.
Fulcrum wrote:
27 May 2018, 18:55
I'm also 'slightly' surprised Ferrari didn't consider leaving Raikkonen out, track position being what it is around here. I mean, considering they've done this at other tracks where he's been literally defenceless, why not here? The irony is, he might have ended up winning, what with Ricciardo's issue; and if not, helped to kill Ricciardo's tyres to aid Vettel.
Great point, if Lewis hadn't pitted so early then all the front runners wouldn't have pitted, then eventually everyone would have overtaken Dany ing he pitstops...so the early pit stop by Lewis saved Danys race

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What about Verstappen overtake over Sainz with cutting the chicane? For me it was a clear overtake outside the track and yet another poker-face from stewards.
P.S. Vettel was really close to lose his car on some of braking points after the restart because his tyres were cold as hell. Vandorne definitely was an obstacle and after that he quickly lost about 5 seconds to Ricciardo.

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What a bore fest. and I blame Merc. They should have tried to pit one of the guys to hyper when 25 laps left in front of Ocon. They should have at least tried.

Also I dont believe Ric's "failure" was *that* bad.

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By the way, the Strokin penalty is joke. They could never dare to give a penalty like that to top three. Terrible referees.

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Another thing to consider: if Ricciardo hadnt had his engine problem, he likely wouldnt have bunched up the pack that much, and then we may have seen more 2-stops as those behind pitted into clean air and gaps and that again cascading to the front with everyone reacting.

If it had been different, i think Hamiltons fresh set of hypers could have been put to good use.

Anyway, snooze fest or not, i love Monaco. We have 20/21 races on the calendar, not every race needs to have a million overtakes for me. I appreciate Monaco for the emphasis it puts on QF, for the strategic element of not being able to overtake and also for the unpredictability it brings. F1 is and should remain a mix of very different tracks and challenges across the season.
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Phil wrote:
27 May 2018, 21:27
Another thing to consider: if Ricciardo hadnt had his engine problem, he likely wouldnt have bunched up the pack that much, and then we may have seen more 2-stops as those behind pitted into clean air and gaps and that again cascading to the front with everyone reacting.

If it had been different, i think Hamiltons fresh set of hypers could have been put to good use.

Anyway, snooze fest or not, i love Monaco. We have 20/21 races on the calendar, not every race needs to have a million overtakes for me. I appreciate Monaco for the emphasis it puts on QF, for the strategic element of not being able to overtake and also for the unpredictability it brings. F1 is and should remain a mix of very different tracks and challenges across the season.
For me it is more it is more of a demonstration race. It belongs on the calender just because of its historic value.

But I do think the cars are outgrowing the circuit. I would not mind if they would adapt the circuit a bit. At the tunnel entry there is a roundabout which they could use to lengthen the tunnel section. Also along the waterfront there is some spare room which they could use to make la piscine a real overtaking opportunity.

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Edax wrote:
27 May 2018, 21:53

But I do think the cars are outgrowing the circuit. I would not mind if they would adapt the circuit a bit. At the tunnel entry there is a roundabout which they could use to lengthen the tunnel section. Also along the waterfront there is some spare room which they could use to make la piscine a real overtaking opportunity.
I agree about roundabout. Although it lengthen the straight by only 50m, it would add few seconds to the laptime.

But why do we need chicane at the end of the "tunnel straight"? With 300m extra and maybe drs after tunnel overtaking would be easier.

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The lack of durability of the tyres isn’t the problem - in fact it would be a good thing - if there was any possibility whatsoever of passing.

And what it again goes to prove is that the problem of passing is very little to do with car and mainly to do with track.

I like Monaco for many reasons including a great quali, but we have to fess up that you’re never going to have a good race here unless they somehow figured out a way to make a passing opportunity. Perhaps changes to Anthony Nogues could make it easier to follow onto the straight? Or maybe there’s a way to redo the chicane after the tunnel (maybe in tandem with DRS) so there’s actually room to pass.

But unless that happens, you have to accept the race will depend on rain or accidents for excitement.


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Some guy has posted on reddit possible changes to track layout to improve the racing.
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foxmulder_ms wrote:
27 May 2018, 20:55
What a bore fest. and I blame Merc. They should have tried to pit one of the guys to hyper when 25 laps left in front of Ocon. They should have at least tried.

Also I dont believe Ric's "failure" was *that* bad.
You ‘blame’ Mercedes but not Ferrari? How unbiased.

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It's good to have races that offer different strategies and approaches. Repetitiveness is boring, so we need some street tracks, some fast tracks, some slow tracks. Variety is spice :)