Sebastian Vettel won his easiest race of the year, leading the Canadian Grand Prix from start to finish. The German didn't put a foot wrong and kept Bottas at bay, who finished second. Max Verstappen completed the podium in third place after what essentially was a surprisingly dull race.
The bigger issue is turbulent wake. It is surprising to see this kind of issue in Canada; normally the need for drag reduction would indeed cut away enough profiles that generate huge amounts of wake, but that isn't the case anymore. What you have are basically cars with the wake baked in. Next year they will try to reduce that.
Also Canada is more severe on the brakes with all hard braking around the circuit that makes managing the Brakes too a bigger task than on Normal Circuits.. Hence even with the straights and speed more than a couple of laps in the wake of another car causes huge alarms of Brake Cooling and hence they are forced to fall back ..turbof1 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 11:32The bigger issue is turbulent wake. It is surprising to see this kind of issue in Canada; normally the need for drag reduction would indeed cut away enough profiles that generate huge amounts of wake, but that isn't the case anymore. What you have are basically cars with the wake baked in. Next year they will try to reduce that.
The exhaust will not have that effect when a car is following 1s behind. It's high energy, but diffuses and dissapates very quickly. The issue here is the flow regiment around the front tyres. B/c tyres are very draggy and detrimental on downforce production downstream, teams focus on pushing flow around it, putting a LOT of inertial force into the flow, which will create a lot of turbulent flow. It's this wake that easily hinders a car 2s-2.5s back.BwajSF wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 12:19Also Canada is more severe on the brakes with all hard braking around the circuit that makes managing the Brakes too a bigger task than on Normal Circuits.. Hence even with the straights and speed more than a couple of laps in the wake of another car causes huge alarms of Brake Cooling and hence they are forced to fall back ..turbof1 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 11:32The bigger issue is turbulent wake. It is surprising to see this kind of issue in Canada; normally the need for drag reduction would indeed cut away enough profiles that generate huge amounts of wake, but that isn't the case anymore. What you have are basically cars with the wake baked in. Next year they will try to reduce that.
The Above scenario Happened with RAI after Pit stopped Closed right Behind Hamilton for a couple of Laps the gap between them stayed around 1s and RAI got a Team Radio Call Saying There were Brake Temps Alarms Going off .. after which he dropped down to 3 seconds gap in the following couple of laps.
Its Not only the Wake from the Cars ahead thier exhauts, the tyres being very sesitive to temps etc should also be taken into consideration.
2019's reg sure does take care of the Front wind and rear wing making the following easier in the Aero Front but still the exhaust is going to be a huge pipe in the middle of the rear end and pointing all the hot gases to the car behind directly and still cause tyre and brake overheating issues.. No sure how it will pan out..
Good point.... But... i seriously doubt F1 will have closed tyres at all.. Open Wheels... Big ones with Small Rims have always made the card look like a beast and have attracted the fans for its Raw nature..turbof1 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 12:23The exhaust will not have that effect when a car is following 1s behind. It's high energy, but diffuses and dissapates very quickly. The issue here is the flow regiment around the front tyres. B/c tyres are very draggy and detrimental on downforce production downstream, teams focus on pushing flow around it, putting a LOT of inertial force into the flow, which will create a lot of turbulent flow. It's this wake that easily hinders a car 2s-2.5s back.BwajSF wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 12:19Also Canada is more severe on the brakes with all hard braking around the circuit that makes managing the Brakes too a bigger task than on Normal Circuits.. Hence even with the straights and speed more than a couple of laps in the wake of another car causes huge alarms of Brake Cooling and hence they are forced to fall back ..turbof1 wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 11:32
The bigger issue is turbulent wake. It is surprising to see this kind of issue in Canada; normally the need for drag reduction would indeed cut away enough profiles that generate huge amounts of wake, but that isn't the case anymore. What you have are basically cars with the wake baked in. Next year they will try to reduce that.
The Above scenario Happened with RAI after Pit stopped Closed right Behind Hamilton for a couple of Laps the gap between them stayed around 1s and RAI got a Team Radio Call Saying There were Brake Temps Alarms Going off .. after which he dropped down to 3 seconds gap in the following couple of laps.
Its Not only the Wake from the Cars ahead thier exhauts, the tyres being very sesitive to temps etc should also be taken into consideration.
2019's reg sure does take care of the Front wind and rear wing making the following easier in the Aero Front but still the exhaust is going to be a huge pipe in the middle of the rear end and pointing all the hot gases to the car behind directly and still cause tyre and brake overheating issues.. No sure how it will pan out..
It's what we saw with Hamilton basically. He was more than able to follow within 2s, but the more he dived underneath those 2s, the more he'd loose again in slow to medium speed corners. However, when Ricciardo met traffic, he had the same issue and Hamilton was able to close up. and keep the gap to below 1s consistently. Afterwards, Ricciardo got back in free air, Hamilton lost out again and gave up.
Wake will always be an aerodynamic issue. But say the wake disadvantage overcomes Hamilton's pace advantage not around the 1.5s mark, but around the 0.8s mark. Then Hamilton could maybe get close enough to overtake on the straight.
You know, these issue can perhaps resolved if F1 dares to use enclosed wheels.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/boullier- ... g-in-2017/Eric Boullier has rubbished suggestions that Formula 1's 2017 regulations will hamper overtaking, adamant they will actually allow for "more" passing out on track.
Next season Formula 1 will introduce a raft of technical changes aimed at increase downforce and speeds.
There are concerns that while the cars will be faster, the changes in no way promote overtaking.
Boullier, however, says that is not true.
"I actually disagree with comments in the media from my competitors," he told Sky Sports F1.
Back in time we watched races with almost 0 overtakes, and there was no Pirelli. They can and must improve these tyres, but the real problem are the cars.Schuttelberg wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 14:59I've been saying this through Merc dominance and I'll say it even if Vettel wins a dominant race- Pirelli NEED TO BE KICKED OUT!
- So what? Repeating something doesn't add any value.Schuttelberg wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 14:59I've been saying this through Merc dominance and I'll say it even if Vettel wins a dominant race- Pirelli NEED TO BE KICKED OUT!
? Ross "I can't count to two" Brawn will surely provide the answers....car 18 lost the rear in turn 5, as both cars were in close proximity they collided, no driver was predominantely to
blame for the incident
Yep - close proximity is kind of necessary for the collision except for those telekinesis related. As long as the cars are close it doesn't matter who caused it e.i. "lost the car". Perfectly logical statement. Can't be bothered to even check openly fraudulent Sainz-Perez no action excuse.These tires and PUs both have inbuilt flaw. Thermal degradation and fuel flow limit.Schuttelberg wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 14:59I've been saying this through Merc dominance and I'll say it even if Vettel wins a dominant race- Pirelli NEED TO BE KICKED OUT!
Relax fuel flow limitations to make flat-out racing a possibility (with predefined engine performance parameters, it can't be difficult to predict optimal fuel-flow level)
Well, I don't think Pirelli is the culprit. In fact, I think they have a genius R&D team, who is doing a fantastic work of creating such range of tyres and such consistency in how the the tyres are behaving and behaving in the specified parameters of thermal range. No team is complaining of the quality of such work, which is an amazing achievement.Schuttelberg wrote: ↑11 Jun 2018, 14:59I've been saying this through Merc dominance and I'll say it even if Vettel wins a dominant race- Pirelli NEED TO BE KICKED OUT!
