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Red Bull's will be more like in this area:

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F1Krof wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 23:59
I have a feeling this new sidepod revamp will not work as good as the Ferrari's and Red Bull's. Theirs work better because they have at the maximum height. Mercedes' sidepod's are much lower and won't be as efficient at doing both cooling and aero performance.

What do you think?
Mercedes's design is different because their overall aero design is different. As has been said soooooo many times before, you can't just directly copy/compare two items on cars that are not otherwise identical. You certainly can't say that Mercedes's design is better / worse than Ferrari's / Red Bull's just from a few photographs. The only car you can compare the Ferrari to is the other Ferrari. Likewise Red Bull, likewise Mercedes.
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mantikos wrote:
29 Jun 2018, 00:07

Disagree - because the side impact structure is in the same place for each of them, and all of them have their sidepods placed fairly consistently with each other - only Ferrari visually looks marginally higher, RB is about the same height.
I don't think so. The side impact protection position in RB14/SF71H is lower than the W09's one, as explained in the picture below

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krizalid1001 wrote:
29 Jun 2018, 01:01
mantikos wrote:
29 Jun 2018, 00:07

Disagree - because the side impact structure is in the same place for each of them, and all of them have their sidepods placed fairly consistently with each other - only Ferrari visually looks marginally higher, RB is about the same height.
I don't think so. The side impact protection position in RB14/SF71H is lower than the W09's one, as explained in the picture below

https://drivetribe.imgix.net/DGhS7ci6TW ... crop=faces
I stand corrected

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Holy hell where has the sidepod inlet gone.. That complexity in front of and around the sidepod area is just mind blowing...
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Side by Side comparison. New Vs Old.

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I have a hunch that this package was designed for France, but got delayed due to the PU getting delayed. The side pod intake changes had an impact on cooling of the older specification and hence, the package couldn't be bolted. I say this because the gains would have been tremendous (assuming it worked as expected) in Paul Ricard than it would be in Red Bull Ring.

The plan I guess, would have been, One race to measure the PU performance (in Canada) and the aero upgrade package for France. With PU getting delayed, the upgrade package might also have been delayed, which means, PU upgrade measured in France and new aero package in Austria.

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This update may be worth a few tenths especially in the 3rd sector, but they may have to play with the setup to get the most out of it.
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JPBD1990 wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 14:35
dren wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 14:32
JPBD1990 wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 14:29
God forbid Ferrari should have a single turning vane attached to their mirror, while the rest of the field have 2, 3, 4 without so much as a mention. :roll:
It's because they have theirs attached to the halo.
I know. Still an interesting contradiction of their own rule. Cool so it only applies when attached to the halo. Why (Like logistically, safety-wise, cost wise)? Just cause...
It is not a contradiction, this side pod areas can have any number of such devices, where the body work rule doesn't apply...that is why u have so many aero devices concentrated on this area. So this is legal, while ON THE HALO it is different, for the height of the object etc. Understand the difference

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Toto Wolff said that these upgrades were brought to make them be faster on slow corners. So if that's right Spielberg is the better place than Paul Ricard.

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LM10 wrote:
29 Jun 2018, 09:16
Toto Wolff said that these upgrades were brought to make them be faster on slow corners. So if that's right Spielberg is the better place than Paul Ricard.
The sidepod changes will indeed help in this area

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Mattchu wrote:
28 Jun 2018, 15:25
Vanja #66 wrote:
13 Jun 2018, 11:31
Morteza wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 19:34


Do you think it's because of their aero in the sidepod area? Should they have gone the route of Ferrari and Red Bull?
They are not developing their car at the same pace of those two teams either.
You can't develop a car as fast as you want if it's reaching it's development limit.
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He kind of is right though, isn't he? What Mercedes has done is pretty much a concept change. So they finally did what many other teams have done already from the beginning by copying Ferrari's sidepod solution.
I wonder why they've not gone with this from the start of the season. They could've optimized the whole car even better.

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This splitted fin is new?
And I`ve heard that these updates are just phase 1, which is followed by phase 2 at Silverstone ... is that correct?
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siskue2005 wrote:
29 Jun 2018, 09:20
LM10 wrote:
29 Jun 2018, 09:16
Toto Wolff said that these upgrades were brought to make them be faster on slow corners. So if that's right Spielberg is the better place than Paul Ricard.
The sidepod changes will indeed help in this area
Those changes + what seemed to be better drivability and traction thank to spec 2.1 would make them be as competitive as their rivals on slow track sections.