2018 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 20-22

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GrandAxe
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Simply epic. What a race!

LM10
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Phil wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:01
I get that many are asking for Hamilton's head for not entering the pits - arguably, this split second decision of staying out won him the race. But regardless who it is, do we really want the FIA to intervene/change race results on something that didn't cause any harm to anyone?
Rules are rules.

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The wet stuff tends to separates the men from the boys.
माकडाच्या हाती कोलीत

GrayGreat
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Restomaniac wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 16:59
GrayGreat wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 16:55
Restomaniac wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 16:42
Farrari’s team orders earlier made Raikkonen give Vettel the place.
Because Raikkonen was supposed to be on a 2 stop strategy. That's why he spent as many laps in front of Vettel as he did. It was only after he started hurting Vettel's tires (by being in Raikkonen's dirty air) that hey decided to let Vettel go. Chance of rain made Ferrari keep Raikkonen out. I don't know which race you were watching if you did not know all this. If it was clear team orders, Raikkonen would not have spent a single lap in front of Vettel. And yes, let's just conveniently forget Austria.
Team orders, are team orders, are team orders. If Vettel was so much faster he should have just passed Raikkonen surely?
Who said anything about Vettel being faster?

Mansell89
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Vettel bottled it under pressure there today.

Hamilton would have won anyway- fresh ultras and only a handful of seconds behind both Kimi and Seb at that point.

Ferrari need to manage their tyres better if they are to make the most of their inherent speed.

SchuMassa
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Phil wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:01
I get that many are asking for Hamilton's head for not entering the pits - arguably, this split second decision of staying out won him the race. But regardless who it is, do we really want the FIA to intervene/change race results on something that didn't cause any harm to anyone?
Yes. Such things shouldn't matter at all.

marvin78
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Phil wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:01
I get that many are asking for Hamilton's head for not entering the pits - arguably, this split second decision of staying out won him the race. But regardless who it is, do we really want the FIA to intervene/change race results on something that didn't cause any harm to anyone?
Sometimes penalties are for something that could hurt someone. And that's good. But I agree with you.

Restomaniac
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GrayGreat wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:03
Restomaniac wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 16:59
GrayGreat wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 16:55


Because Raikkonen was supposed to be on a 2 stop strategy. That's why he spent as many laps in front of Vettel as he did. It was only after he started hurting Vettel's tires (by being in Raikkonen's dirty air) that hey decided to let Vettel go. Chance of rain made Ferrari keep Raikkonen out. I don't know which race you were watching if you did not know all this. If it was clear team orders, Raikkonen would not have spent a single lap in front of Vettel. And yes, let's just conveniently forget Austria.
Team orders, are team orders, are team orders. If Vettel was so much faster he should have just passed Raikkonen surely?
Who said anything about Vettel being faster?
Then why the order for Raikkonen to let Vettel go?

GrayGreat
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Restomaniac wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:04
GrayGreat wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:03
Restomaniac wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 16:59
Team orders, are team orders, are team orders. If Vettel was so much faster he should have just passed Raikkonen surely?
Who said anything about Vettel being faster?
Then why the order for Raikkonen to let Vettel go?
If you can read my post once again, you will find out why.

LionKing
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LM10 wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:02
Phil wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:01
I get that many are asking for Hamilton's head for not entering the pits - arguably, this split second decision of staying out won him the race. But regardless who it is, do we really want the FIA to intervene/change race results on something that didn't cause any harm to anyone?
Rules are rules.
A few km/h above speed limit in the pitlane does not harm anyone either.

My issue is Kimi gets a penalty for a situation a lot less dramatic. Lewis gets into pit entrance, then goes over grass to rejoin the race track. Nothing....

This is the unacceptable part. You can not have decisions based on who is driving the car.
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Restomaniac
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Vettel beating his steering wheel and then kicking stones like a toddler throwing a tantrum. Like Hamilton yesterday almost crying by the side of his car.

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Restomaniac wrote:Vettel beating his steering wheel and then kicking stones like a toddler throwing a tantrum. Like Hamilton yesterday almost crying by the side of his car.
So what makes your comment better than those of yesterday. We expect more from you Restomaniac
Always find the gap then use it.

Restomaniac
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GrayGreat wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:05
Restomaniac wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:04
GrayGreat wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:03


Who said anything about Vettel being faster?
Then why the order for Raikkonen to let Vettel go?
If you can read my post once again, you will find out why.
That’s the point. It’s team orders that you chose not to mention it but then jumped on Mercedes for team orders. That’s called being selective.

You admitted you dislike Hamilton. I would suggest it’s blinded you to the hypocrisy.

Restomaniac
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JonoNic wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 17:08
Restomaniac wrote:Vettel beating his steering wheel and then kicking stones like a toddler throwing a tantrum. Like Hamilton yesterday almost crying by the side of his car.
So what makes your comment better than those of yesterday. We expect more from you Restomaniac
To tell the truth I think both situations were pathetic. I’m not being hypocritical. I would have happily commented but I’m on holiday and have parked my backside at a pub with WIFI to watch the race.
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ripper
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Vettel goes red mist again, sigh