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Guiding vanes under the floor stretched to the diffuser. Very clever.

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In comparison with Redbull

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EDIT: As mentioned by SiLo, It's just a slight darker strip and part of the reference plance.
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M840TR wrote:
25 Jul 2018, 13:52
Guiding vanes under the floor stretched to the diffuser. Very clever.

https://i.imgur.com/tA06NTz.jpg

In comparison with Redbull

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/i ... 159285.jpg
Gives you a good idea of the two vortecies that are travelling under the floor along the plank. Of course those aren't the only 2.
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That mystery 3rd paddle on that steering wheel though!

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godlameroso wrote:
25 Jul 2018, 14:03
M840TR wrote:
25 Jul 2018, 13:52
Guiding vanes under the floor stretched to the diffuser. Very clever.

https://i.imgur.com/tA06NTz.jpg

In comparison with Redbull

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/i ... 159285.jpg
Gives you a good idea of the two vortecies that are travelling under the floor along the plank. Of course those aren't the only 2.
The other two are from the vortex generators on the floor's leading edge. That's four powerful vortexes energizing the floor and diffuser. Mclaren have got nothing to show for here.

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There are no extra vanes there, it's just a slightly darker strip. It's still flat as that is part of the reference plane.
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The plank wear pattern showing it flexing too much? So that they can run high rake?

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SiLo wrote:
25 Jul 2018, 15:35
There are no extra vanes there, it's just a slightly darker strip. It's still flat as that is part of the reference plane.
I see it now. Thanks for correcting.

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siskue2005 wrote:
25 Jul 2018, 15:38
https://imgr3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/S ... 178812.jpg
The plank wear pattern showing it flexing too much? So that they can run high rake?
Or maybe the mid wing area generates a fair bit of downforce on it's own.
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M840TR wrote:
25 Jul 2018, 13:52
Guiding vanes under the floor stretched to the diffuser. Very clever.

https://i.imgur.com/tA06NTz.jpg

In comparison with Redbull

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/i ... 159285.jpg
It's just a bulge on the step, could be to reduce CoG of power train components some 10-15mm.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
23 Jul 2018, 18:17
djones wrote:
23 Jul 2018, 11:39
All this recent talk of the Ferrari engine being the most powerful....

I think its not and the Merc still is and its just the Ferrari is really clean on the aero (like Red Bull).
Some of us've been saying that since roll out. :)
Here’s a theory from motorsport:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/blow ... e-1064053/

Not to be ‘that guy’, but this is actually not dissimilar to something I was discussing in the McLaren speculation thread pre-season - I.e. the idea that a DRD-type device might be particularly pertinent in the current PU climate and that I wouldn’t be surprised if benefits in reducing drag would far outweigh those of increasing power,

Given the claims that Ferrari’s improvements equated to something like 2 years’ of development from power output, drag reduction seems far more likely.

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f1316 wrote:
26 Jul 2018, 13:08
Vanja #66 wrote:
23 Jul 2018, 18:17
djones wrote:
23 Jul 2018, 11:39
All this recent talk of the Ferrari engine being the most powerful....

I think its not and the Merc still is and its just the Ferrari is really clean on the aero (like Red Bull).
Some of us've been saying that since roll out. :)
Here’s a theory from motorsport:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/blow ... e-1064053/

Not to be ‘that guy’, but this is actually not dissimilar to something I was discussing in the McLaren speculation thread pre-season - I.e. the idea that a DRD-type device might be particularly pertinent in the current PU climate and that I wouldn’t be surprised if benefits in reducing drag would far outweigh those of increasing power,

Given the claims that Ferrari’s improvements equated to something like 2 years’ of development from power output, drag reduction seems far more likely.
It has to be a DRD that can be easily controlled since the GPS data shows that the ''boost in performance'' only appears on some straights and in a certain speed range >275km/h. So yeah, using the wastegates to somehow stall the RW could be a possibility but I don't think the FIA would like that..

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Ferrari can say that at that point down the straight, they begin to run the PU in e-boost mode which would actuate the waste gates. The downstream effect would be the waste gate exits stalling the rear wing. It's exactly when you'd want the benefit, both compound straight line speed improvement.
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It could be simple misdirection. Make it look like you're doing something in one area whilst actually doing something in a different area. Your rivals chase their tails trying to figure out and replicate what they think they see you doing. You carry on doing the other thing and benefitting from the performance.
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I'm skeptical of the reduce-drag-via-exhaust-disruption-near-rear-wing theory, because during qualy everyone uses DRS which is already pretty effective at rear wing drag reduction. Yet Ferrari maintains the 0.5 s advantage from superior acceleration & straight-line speed during qualifying.