2018 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, 27-29 July

[NYGIANTS]

why does anyone question as to why hamilton is so good in the rain? when they do the pro lewis posters bring up his wet drives like silverstone in 2008 or monza last year, or he has won every wet qualies and race the last 5 years. now the posters bring up the car, how the merc is so much better in the rain, or how the mclaren was good in the rain as well. my question is how so, and where and how do you know this to be true? because the only common denominator is the driver. why can't people just accept the fact he is the best current driver in wet conditions.

on aside note, looks like leclerc is another vettel, not very good in the wet...... j/k. i'm a big fan of the kid. also looks like the drive-ability of the Honda is pretty good, can't wait to see Red Bull Honda next year.

[PlatinumZealot]

So what I don't understand is - hot temps the Mercs are overheating their tires? because they put more energy in to them than Ferrari does. But what EXACTLY does that even mean? It's not a matter of weight right? I mean Mercedes wouldn't want the car to be heavy like a Nissan GT-R cause that would be detrimental to the car's overall performance so weight is not the reason why the Merc drives the tires hard. Is it suspension setup? As in much more stiffer in general because they don't run the rake like Ferrari and Red Bull do? Less downforce overall so they have to have more camber? I am trying to understand here. What do you guys think is the reason?

High rake cars also need to be just as stiff. They can get away with mire suspension travel yes.. But it also upsets the car. There are a few instances wyere we see the Mercedes being quite softly sprung. It is in the cars DNA for some time now. McLaren on the other hand is known for stiff platforms.

[PlatinumZealot]

So it occurs to me that some believe that the Merc is a better car in the wet than the Ferrari, despite the generally recognized belief that the Ferrari is better in the dry (at least specifically for Hungary). What would be the technical reason for this? As far as I can tell the consensus is that Merc is poor on traction due to low rake design leading to stiffer rear setup, and that Ferrari has great traction and rear stability. Based on that I would expect Ferrari to also excel in wet conditions. I guess tyre compound mostly trumps all that? Possibly Merc running a bit more downforce here?

Its funny. Kimi said the car was a dream to drive today. Perfectly set up. In the Ferrari hamilton would still smash. Watch the video carefully for the line hes takes his throttle application his steering. This is what made the difference.

[Sierra117]

Toto's reaction to the quali results are gold, his inner kid coming out

Love Alonso's little speech

[Bill_Kar]

Toto's reaction to the quali results are gold, his inner kid coming out

I understand why some people are cagey with Toto, but he's my favourite alongside Horner (again, I understand why someone would not like him )

I don't know, they seem more human.

[Big Tea]

Toto's reaction to the quali results are gold, his inner kid coming out

I understand why some people are cagey with Toto, but he's my favourite alongside Horner (again, I understand why someone would not like him )

I don't know, they seem more human.

I like Toto, but think he does 'play to the camera' sometimes.

[strad]

All I know is Bottas just can't catch a break.
I really thought he was really going to get the pole today.

[Sierra117]

Toto's reaction to the quali results are gold, his inner kid coming out

I understand why some people are cagey with Toto, but he's my favourite alongside Horner (again, I understand why someone would not like him )

I don't know, they seem more human.

Absolutely, Toto and Niki are people I wouldn't mind working for forever. They know how to balance fun and work and for me they're easy to mentally sync with. Although Niki alone would be probably too scary

All I know is Bottas just can't catch a break.
I really thought he was really going to get the pole today.

I honestly believe it's only making Bottas better. You can see great improvement in his driving this season. Having a teammate like Lewis always keeps him hungry for more.

[Phil]

I really like Toto too. Such a fun badass wrapped up in Schwarzenegger/austrian dialect.

[JPBD1990]

I really like Toto too. Such a fun badass wrapped up in Schwarzenegger/austrian dialect.

I really liked Toto too, until his remarks after Silverstone. I say that not as a Ferrari fan but as a sports fan. I was legitimately disappointed.

As far as I’m aware he hasn’t withdrawn them or even apologised.

[Sevach]

So it occurs to me that some believe that the Merc is a better car in the wet than the Ferrari, despite the generally recognized belief that the Ferrari is better in the dry (at least specifically for Hungary). What would be the technical reason for this? As far as I can tell the consensus is that Merc is poor on traction due to low rake design leading to stiffer rear setup, and that Ferrari has great traction and rear stability. Based on that I would expect Ferrari to also excel in wet conditions. I guess tyre compound mostly trumps all that? Possibly Merc running a bit more downforce here?

Its funny. Kimi said the car was a dream to drive today. Perfectly set up. In the Ferrari hamilton would still smash. Watch the video carefully for the line hes takes his throttle application his steering. This is what made the difference.

I agree, Vettel was scared cat in qualifying, Kimi had good pace but as often happens didn't quite deliver for one reason or another.

But the car was there imo.

[iotar__]

- FIA cheating and Verstappen getting away without penalties, what else is new? I bet Ross "1+1=1" Brawn approves.

- This qualifying showed that "only inferior engine prevents Red Bull from winning everything". In the real world wet conditions media based genius put them at solid seventh. One can only hope it prevents "we prefer rain" BS next time.

- Before that: Mercedes drivers complaining about the car and reports of struggles were funny. It's never those mid-field cars that are problematic, it's always best ones. When they don't have everything on a silver plate walk on water stars can't be blamed for not copying.

[jz11]

- FIA cheating and Verstappen getting away without penalties, what else is new? I bet Ross "1+1=1" Brawn approves.

- This qualifying showed that "only inferior engine prevents Red Bull from winning everything". In the real world wet conditions media based genius put them at solid seventh. One can only hope it prevents "we prefer rain" BS next time.

no comment about FIA penalty policy... everything has been said

but it is quite short sighted to start bashing RB, you don't know the amount of compromises that engine makes the design team to implement in the car, I think Merc and Ferrari have much more options available in their setups, but there is only "one way" for the RBs design to work with that engine
I suspect they need to run a stiff suspension in order for their "skinny" (know this is high downforce track, just keep the trend of previous races in mind) aero to work, which in a such a wet track means little mechanical grip - which means the car is like on ice mostly, gives no confidence to the driver, extremely difficult to drive - which the result showed yesterday
and this is not so apparent in the dry, where the car does work a lot better than any other Renault powered car, so bashing the RB for coming up with poor design is the wrong thing to take away from this Q

[Brenton]

Oh yeah, Toto is a really classy guy

http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/20073 ... ack-record - no gentleman talks like that about a sporting rival over something so trivial. Or are standards of decency really this low?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... s-1057701/ - tells the world he thinks Kimi either deliberately hit Hamilton or else Kimi is an incompetent driver.

https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/10/ ... -mercedes/ - Brawn rarely speaks negatively about anyone that he's worked with...

"Allows" his strategist to apologize to the world for his mistake... https://www.wheels24.co.za/FormulaOne/m ... r-20180705 ... etc, this is just off the top of my head.

It's silly how easily sporting figures are admired, because they bring us entertainment which means they must be great people I don't hate Toto, I just find the admiration to be ... strange. I do wish that the most dominant F1 team had a figurehead who didn't act this way on numerous occasions.

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Sainz, Raikonnen, Hamilton and Bottas all put in really excellent laps during Q3, why is it so hard for people to simply appreciate the skill on display? Why the constant need to put down the achievements of others?

It's quite simple: to admit that a driver is better than their preferred driver is to admit that they have chosen to support the wrong driver. People don't like to admit they are wrong so the outcome is to downplay the other driver. It's fan psychology, nothing more.

I think part if it is that the champions generally are not nice persons. Prost, Andretti, Piquet, Schumacher, Senna, etc etc. It takes a certain attitude to become a champion, a certain arrogance, a certain self-centeredness. That makes it very easy to dislike the person you’re not cheering for.

Good point. If I had a kid I certainly wouldn't want them to look up to those drivers as role models, nor most other F1 champions of recent times. I disagree with the common refrain that you have to be an asshole to be a champion, but champions in sport tend to be assholes for various reasons. There's plenty to admire about them ... but I think that their specific positive qualities should be admired rather than every aspect of their personalities.

[arahman_93]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEncAodEd_A

Toto is decent and funny although sometimes he does come across a bit as political when answering certain questions.

On topic is it a dry race or bit of rain predicted.