2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

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Lotus102 wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 15:43
Please list them and state the point of comparison. I honestly can’t think of any.
You're kidding, right sweetheart? You're trolling, surely?

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Lotus102 wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 09:50
sack Paddy Lowe or whatever did not turn out to be true (and were never likely, however bad the on-track performance was)
Well, Paddy Lowe has gone, and he's gone because of the performance of the car, the debacle in getting it put together and the fact that he obviously cannot read the regulation book. Every casual observer from the media to those in other teams were questioning Williams's legality right from the first shots of the car. The guy is simply not a Technical Director and not what Williams desperately needed. They needed an Adrian Newey, a James Allison, a James Key or a Mike Gascoyne with a clear track record of designing and being responsible for a car from top to bottom and finding their way through the regulation book. Lowe is absolutely none of those things.

Is there any more head burying we want to do here?

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kptaylor wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 17:38
I doubt there's any huge investigation going on or it would have been in the reputable news or seen in new technical directives. Maybe some minor changes but we'll see as no mentions of those either.
You'll see it when the car is changed to pass scrutineering in Australia. Why would new technical directives need to be issued when Paddy Lowe and Williams can't even read what is there in the first place?

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munudeges wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 23:01
Lotus102 wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 09:50
sack Paddy Lowe or whatever did not turn out to be true (and were never likely, however bad the on-track performance was)
Well, Paddy Lowe has gone, and he's gone because of the performance of the car, the debacle in getting it put together and the fact that he obviously cannot read the regulation book. Every casual observer from the media to those in other teams were questioning Williams's legality right from the first shots of the car. The guy is simply not a Technical Director and not what Williams desperately needed. They needed an Adrian Newey, a James Allison, a James Key or a Mike Gascoyne with a clear track record of designing and being responsible for a car from top to bottom and finding their way through the regulation book. Lowe is absolutely none of those things.

Is there any more head burying we want to do here?
Just for the record. I like Keys but I'm reserving the right to comment on how good he is until after a couple of years with McLaren. He might have been sheltered at STR.

Ferrari seem to get better after James Allison left. Although he did build excellent cars with Lotus.


So now what???.

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Any big name available to take his role?

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munudeges wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 22:58
Lotus102 wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 15:43
Please list them and state the point of comparison. I honestly can’t think of any.
You're kidding, right sweetheart? You're trolling, surely?
Asking for evidence to back up assertions is trolling? Sorry, you make a sweeping statement, you need to support it.

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munudeges wrote:
06 Mar 2019, 23:01
Lotus102 wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 09:50
sack Paddy Lowe or whatever did not turn out to be true (and were never likely, however bad the on-track performance was)
Well, Paddy Lowe has gone, and he's gone because of the performance of the car, the debacle in getting it put together and the fact that he obviously cannot read the regulation book. Every casual observer from the media to those in other teams were questioning Williams's legality right from the first shots of the car. The guy is simply not a Technical Director and not what Williams desperately needed. They needed an Adrian Newey, a James Allison, a James Key or a Mike Gascoynme with a clear track record of designing and being responsible for a car from top to bottom and finding their way through the regulation book. Lowe is absolutely none of those things.

Is there any more head burying we want to do here?
It wasn’t true last year. Even now he isn’t sacked, it’s a leave of absence.

Gascoyne was far more of a manager than a designer. He didn’t really work directly on the layout of a car himself after his Tyrrell days, and that was under the guidance of Harvey Postlethwaite. He was a technical director who oversaw others dealing with the design, not at all like a Newey or a Barnard. Both models can be successful.

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What did Paddy do at Merc that qualified him to be Williams TD? Who at Williams made the call to hire him as TD?
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Lotus102 wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 01:08
It wasn’t true last year. Even now he isn’t sacked, it’s a leave of absence.
You keep telling yourself that sweetheart. They all say that, and what's even more sad than Williams's current plight is this kind of cognitive dissonance.
Gascoyne was far more of a manager than a designer.
He was both, his track record is clear and he single handedly got Caterham off the ground effectively from his bedroom. That's what a Technical Director is.
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Chuckjr wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 01:10
What did Paddy do at Merc that qualified him to be Williams TD? Who at Williams made the call to hire him as TD?
I have absolutely no idea. Some people manage to pull the wool over the eyes of many, Pat Fry being another. The Technical Direction at Mercedes is the work of James Allison and Geoff Willis and their CVs speak for themselves. The same people at Williams who got fooled by Lowe are the same people who thought Sam Michael was a TD, year after year, and also thought Pat Symonds was as well.

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Claire said that Kubica was smart enough to become TD, so I guess that won't be a problem.

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munudeges wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 01:18
Chuckjr wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 01:10
What did Paddy do at Merc that qualified him to be Williams TD? Who at Williams made the call to hire him as TD?
I have absolutely no idea. Some people manage to pull the wool over the eyes of many, Pat Fry being another. The Technical Direction at Mercedes is the work of James Allison and Geoff Willis and their CVs speak for themselves. The same people at Williams who got fooled by Lowe are the same people who thought Sam Michael was a TD, year after year, and also thought Pat Symonds was as well.
I remember when they hired Sam Michael. I was like, wtf. It's so frustrating and sad to see this team suffering under such bad personnel calls. Smh.
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I have tried not to knock the management at Williams, But we have to ask, who makes these bad personnel calls?
Patric Head left a huge hole there, and not just in design
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munudeges wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 01:18
Chuckjr wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 01:10
What did Paddy do at Merc that qualified him to be Williams TD? Who at Williams made the call to hire him as TD?
I have absolutely no idea. Some people manage to pull the wool over the eyes of many, Pat Fry being another. The Technical Direction at Mercedes is the work of James Allison and Geoff Willis and their CVs speak for themselves. The same people at Williams who got fooled by Lowe are the same people who thought Sam Michael was a TD, year after year, and also thought Pat Symonds was as well.
Uhhh James Alisson came to Mercedes after Lowe left... started there early 2017 (car already on track).

If you wanna credit someone for Mercedes success while Lowe was their TD try Bob Bell or Aldo Costa.

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RonDennis wrote:
07 Mar 2019, 01:20
Claire said that Kubica was smart enough to become TD, so I guess that won't be a problem.
That was the end right there. Even Claire isn't silly enough to make an off-the-cuff comment like that in public. It was deliberate and summed up what they thought about what had gone on and what they thought of him.

https://twitter.com/wbuxtonofficial/sta ... 7517553666

If a TD is asked who is responsible, it is him. End of story.
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