2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

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NathanOlder wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 09:53
Doesn't explain why Vettel was so far off in Q2 on the mediums. They both would have been pushing 100% to try and get into Q3 on the mediums. Charles time blew Seb away massively.
Is reading that difficult for you?
Silent Storm wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 23:40
On top of that Vettel was stuck behind a Toro Rosso till S2 which compromised his warm up lap, the commentators did mention that some parts of the track had lower track temp due to shade which I believe would have made it even more difficult to get the tyres upto temperature after he passed the Toro Rosso, which is why Vettel didn't go all out on his first run probably because he didn't want to end up crashing knowing his tyre temp is not optimum.
And Lewis never hit the wall. He ran down the escape road. Not hit the wall.
A driver would either back out of the corner and go straight after a hint of understeer (which Hamilton did) or commit to the corner and carry on if he feels confident enough (which both Ferrari drivers did)

Basically what I said before, and thanks for posting the screenshot.
search wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 10:12
from the mini-sector times, it looks like he had problems getting heat into the tires at the beginning of the lap:

https://i.imgur.com/U7WfNUA.png

(screenshot from just before the red flag came out)
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yelistener wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 03:09
Juzh wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 19:11
ham vs vet q3 - so much for ferrari's straight line advantages. with proper prep on the outlap hamilton would wipe the floor in q3, probably even leclerc couldn't match his time.
https://youtu.be/jkrouUjuXbU

P02 hamilton baku q3 1.40.554
https://streamable.com/nld6t
https://streamable.com/nld6t

P03 vettel baku q3 1.40.797
https://streamable.com/845wu
https://streamable.com/845wu

P04 verstappen baku q3 1.41.069
https://streamable.com/r2tbc
https://streamable.com/r2tbc

which other laps would be worth doing?
Could you do Bottas pole with telemetry? Would like to know if Lewis' straight line speed indeed benefited from Bottas' tow.
is uploaded to drive.
there's also this, seems like hamilton benefited a few hundreths, no more
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/2019/ ... aijan.html

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Was this talked about in this thread already? SC restart line has been changed to the start/finish line, this will make any kind of overtaking at the restarts next to impossible, massively favouring the defending driver:
https://www.racefans.net/2019/04/28/new ... ng-norris/

“Basically there’s less slipstream effect because the leader starts accelerating at the start/finish line, which you only go up to fifth, sixth gear before you brake into turn one so there’s basically no slipstreaming, no overtaking, unless you really go for it into turn one.”"

I'd really like to hear what the reasons were for this nonsense.

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Juzh wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 11:31
Was this talked about in this thread already? SC restart line has been changed to the start/finish line, this will make any kind of overtaking at the restarts next to impossible, massively favouring the defending driver:
https://www.racefans.net/2019/04/28/new ... ng-norris/

“Basically there’s less slipstream effect because the leader starts accelerating at the start/finish line, which you only go up to fifth, sixth gear before you brake into turn one so there’s basically no slipstreaming, no overtaking, unless you really go for it into turn one.”"

I'd really like to hear what the reasons were for this nonsense.
This already caused trouble in yesterdays F2 race. The straight is so long, everyone is accelerating/braking/weaving to prepare the tyres. This will eventually catch someone out.

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Kimi will also start from the pit lane, it's getting crowded there.

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and from P8. WoW. Good strategy call that crash.

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Leclerc for the win? Surely he is gotta be the dark horse of the race if he can keep out of trouble. If not, he could be Ferraris paen to aid Vettel as once the front runners pit, they’ll be behind him?
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Well that stinks the place up.

So from now on then every time a driver makes a mistake and flat spots a tyre in Q2 he gets a new tyre for the race start right, RIGHT?
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yes guys it is possible ..... to start from the pitlane for the 3rd time in 1 race

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Restomaniac wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 12:57
So from now on then every time a driver makes a mistake and flat spots a tyre in Q2 he gets a new tyre for the race start right, RIGHT?
It's nothing new. Hamilton once profited of the very same thing. Lets not make this a bigger thing than it is. We want an exciting race, not a driver who already crashed and was compromised to be even more compromised. :roll:
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Phil wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 13:00
Restomaniac wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 12:57
So from now on then every time a driver makes a mistake and flat spots a tyre in Q2 he gets a new tyre for the race start right, RIGHT?
It's nothing new. Hamilton once profited of the very same thing. Lets not make this a bigger thing than it is. We want an exciting race, not a driver who already crashed and was compromised to be even more compromised. :roll:
2 things.
It was wrong that Hamilton got that decision.
Leclerc cocked up causing that crash so he is compromised due to HIS error. Why should he get a free set of tyres when others have compromised themselves in the past and got nothing.

I’ll wait with baited breath for STR, Haas, Alfa, McLaren, Williams, etc to get a free tyre change in this circumstance (I didn’t mention the top 3 teams you may notice).
Also all 4 tyres? All 4, come on. (I mean I can sort of get the front 2 which maybe trashed but the rear 2).
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Phil wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 13:00
Restomaniac wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 12:57
So from now on then every time a driver makes a mistake and flat spots a tyre in Q2 he gets a new tyre for the race start right, RIGHT?
It's nothing new. Hamilton once profited of the very same thing. Lets not make this a bigger thing than it is. We want an exciting race, not a driver who already crashed and was compromised to be even more compromised. :roll:
dont feed the troll

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Silent Storm wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 11:22
NathanOlder wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 09:53
Doesn't explain why Vettel was so far off in Q2 on the mediums. They both would have been pushing 100% to try and get into Q3 on the mediums. Charles time blew Seb away massively.
Is reading that difficult for you?
Silent Storm wrote:
27 Apr 2019, 23:40
On top of that Vettel was stuck behind a Toro Rosso till S2 which compromised his warm up lap, the commentators did mention that some parts of the track had lower track temp due to shade which I believe would have made it even more difficult to get the tyres upto temperature after he passed the Toro Rosso, which is why Vettel didn't go all out on his first run probably because he didn't want to end up crashing knowing his tyre temp is not optimum.
And Lewis never hit the wall. He ran down the escape road. Not hit the wall.
A driver would either back out of the corner and go straight after a hint of understeer (which Hamilton did) or commit to the corner and carry on if he feels confident enough (which both Ferrari drivers did)

Basically what I said before, and thanks for posting the screenshot.
search wrote:
28 Apr 2019, 10:12
from the mini-sector times, it looks like he had problems getting heat into the tires at the beginning of the lap:

https://i.imgur.com/U7WfNUA.png

(screenshot from just before the red flag came out)
So he was stuck behind a Toro Rosso ? Why didn't he just pass the Toro Rosso ?

Lewis was stuck behind bottas on his fastest lap , only lost to Bottas by less than a tenth. Vettel was 7 tenths off Leclerc after the 1st run. On their first flying laps Vettel was following Leclerc. So thats not any reason to be so slow. Leclerc had a gap infront of him of about 7 seconds as they started their first flyer in Q2. Whats Vettels excuse for being too close to Leclerc ?

Gonna blame that on toro rosso too #-o
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