BMW Sauber F1 Team driver Nick Heidfeld will lose three places on the Singapore grid after the received a penalty from the race stewards. Heidfeld impeded Rubens Barrichello during Q1 at the Marina Bay Circuit. The German will now start the first ever night race from 9th place.
Noew perhaps I misunderstood something. What was the 'Heidfeld incident' you were talking about then?myurr wrote:Read my post again - I was grumpy at the Heidfeld penalty - I had no idea at the time what Rubens was fined for and therefore said I didn't have an opinion on it. I was only commenting on the Heidfeld incident.
The one where he 'held' up Rubens gaining himself a 3 (roll that dice and see what comes up) grid slot penalty.modbaraban wrote:Noew perhaps I misunderstood something. What was the 'Heidfeld incident' you were talking about.
It is my *opinion*, and I could be wrong, that for Heidfeld to take the tighter line he would have had to have been slower through the previous corner and therefore Rubens would just have come up behind him earlier.andartop wrote:I think when you look at the video it is clear Rubens had at least half a car's width of space on the outside, and Heidfeld an equal amount of space on the inside. Combine the two and you have enough space for both! I have not seen any telemetry I must admit, so this is just the impression that I get from the video. It is worth thinking though how did the rest of the drivers avoid to get themselves in a similar situation? I can hardly believe this was the only instance during the whole quali that 2 cars found themselves in similar positions on the track. Of course I could be wrong, I was not there. If that was not the case it should become apparent tomorrow. If there really is no way for the drivers to accommodate 2 cars on that part of the track without blocking each other I expect half the grid to be penalised with drive thrus during the race. If that does not happen then we can all agree it was indeed Heidfeld's fault!
Should add that as far as I am aware he hasn't been replaced since then - which is one of the criticisms leveled at the FIA.myurr wrote:Bit of a shame that Mr Tony Scott Andrews stepped down at the end of the 2007 season then isn't itCiro Pabón wrote:Lots of stuff about Tony Scott Andrews being a permanent steward since the beginning of 2007.
why don't we stick to the facts Ciro? Rubens had a choice to do an outlap and not cut across the line. cutting the line has been penalized in Valencia already. to be consistent the stewards had to hand out the penalty.Ciro Pabón wrote:....Thank the gods we have now WB's post to clarify who's intelligent and who's not. I bet he would do better as steward, specially in Heidfeld case. What would you say to Rubens, White? That he's not into a BMW?
I'm marveled at the impartiality of your posts.
Every time someone complains about decisions, is about the decisions that somehow interfere with his team (and lately, any decision is wrong for Hamilton's enshriners, as if he needed to be enshrined: how many times has he said in the last month that he's the best driver in the world? I've already lost count).
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I haven't even stated what I think about the incident. The stewards can be wrong, but calling the stewards bribed or useless, well... requires more proof.WhiteBlue wrote:It's not true that I'm a Merc fan. But I found the Spa decision wrong. One can criticise stewards for obvious failures and still try to be objective.
That's an awful big high horse you have there. Yes you said it was last years news, but all the information contained in your post is a year out of date. As white blue has pointed there is a permanent adviser, who is a political appointee of the FIA and does not appear to be widely accepted, but if you actually listened to what I was saying then you would have seen that this is not what I was asking for in the slightest.Ciro Pabón wrote:Sigh... myurr. I already said that this was LAST year news. Do you want me to google who's the chief permanent steward for you? I was complaining about posts that ask for a permanent steward, but there is no worse deaf that the one that does not want to hear. Besides, I bet you think I don't know F1...
How can the FIA be truly impartial if Max's representative at each race has financial links to Ferrari ?Ciro Pabón wrote: I don't like Ferrari in particular, but I certainly dislike posts that criticize the work of other without having the slight idea what they're talking about, IMHO. I have to read posts that say that the FIA is sold to Ferrari in a decision that involves Honda and BMW. Ridiculous.
