2019 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 23-26

[Carl Mccoy]

Hamilton fends off Verstappen to win at Monaco

Lewis Hamilton has had a difficult race on highly worn tyres, but managed to maintain the lead to win the Monaco Grand Prix. A penalty for Max Verstappen causes Vettel and Bottas to join him on the podium.

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Dude your write up has two serious mistakes, your bias is showing :

" The resulting safety car period triggered lots of pitstops, a series that cost Bottas two positions due to pitting immediately behind Hamilton.
Verstappen was later given a 5s time penalty for an unsafe release during that pitstop."

- Bottas did not lose two positions due to pitting behind Hamilton. It didn't affect him at all. He only lose positions cause Verstappen crashed into him.
And Verstappen did not just have an unsafe release without incident, blocking another car. He crashed into Bottas, twice, and endangered the pit crews by pressing into it like that.

"2 laps from the end, Verstappen made an attempt and took the inside into the chicane coming out of the tunnel, but as he didn't have a clear advantage, Hamilton still turned in, making his rear wheel to touch with Verstappen's front. Hamilton went straight on, and Verstappen held on to second."

- Oh come on! Can you frame it any more in favor of Verstappen? Hamilton made his rear wheel touch with Verstappen?!
What utter nonsense. Verstappen dive bombed and blocked his wheels during breaking and lost control of the car and crashed into Hamilton's rear.

FFS learn some unbiased good reporting.

None of the reports/articles here are worth reading apart from some of the technical stuff tbh ... they're none better than the posts of the forum in that regard

The average F1 viewer is obviously an absolute moron when they vote Max as driver of the day after he ...eh ... rammed Bottas into the wall after an unsafe release and almost took out the race leader in a desperate divebomb and lost p2 because of the penalty which should have been a 10s stop and go according to the rules

If it were not for Verstappen everyone would fall asleep.

[siskue2005]

How on earth was Leclerc voted to be third in driver of the race poll during the F1 coverage, or have i seen it wrong?

It's because of all the Hamilton haters (even a lot of racists still some of them) and because Monaco is Leclerc's home and because fools with a temper and little sense like Verstappen no matter what he does. Toxic masculinity for you.
Clearly this race was Hamilton's triumph. He didn't even make a mistake. Ver actually lost it twice behind him. And then a crash.

True

[LM10]

How many people think that, if Max would have touched Vettel (in place of Hamilton), Vettel wouldn't have spun? For some reason, Vettel's car simply spins in a contact.

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HAM cleary caught sleeping there.

Isn't it true for every driver who gets dive-bombed by Max? China 2018?

I don't know, if you're comparing China 2018 to today's incident, but if yes, it's just an utterly stupid thing to do. Maybe you should rewatch both situations and if you're knowledgeable enough (which is my assumption), you'll see that both incidents are quite different to each other.

It's people like you who start an unneccessary fight between fans. There is no single reason to call Vettel's name. It was a contact between Max and Hamilton - yet, you somehow have the desire to do it and start a discussion. That's nothing more than a needless provocation and I don't know why a person would want to do that? Are you bored?
Hamilton is a class driver and I totally respect his skills, but man... some of his fans are really calling for it, don't they?

[GPR-A]

HAM cleary caught sleeping there.

Isn't it true for every driver who gets dive-bombed by Max? China 2018?

I don't know, if you're comparing China 2018 to today's incident, but if yes, it's just an utterly stupid thing to do. Maybe you should rewatch both situations and if you're knowledgeable enough (which is my assumption), you'll see that both incidents are quite different to each other.

It's people like you who start an unneccessary fight between fans. There is no single reason to call Vettel's name. It was a contact between Max and Hamilton - yet, you somehow have the desire to do it and start a discussion. That's nothing more than a needless provocation and I don't know why a person would want to do that? Are you bored?
Hamilton is a class driver and I totally respect his skills, but man... some of his fans are really calling for it, don't they?

Take a chill pill dude. If you don't understand the point that was made in my post, feel free to ask and understand before letting the gas in your head out. Try reading hard, may be you might get it.

[LM10]

Tyres fell off + safety car is a clear opportunity to use.

That’s not of big importance in Monaco. It’s gonna rain anyway, just stay out and have track advantage.

When Hamilton is saying that the tyres fell apart even without pushing then it sure as heck matters. The rain is a maybe, the tyres falling apart is a direct observation so why not pit and change instead of risking worse?

Looking back at the race, the amount of rain was insignificant. Teams probably knew that, so it was a right choice changing tyres in SC phase.
However, for me, watching it on TV, I was awaiting more rain and a change to Inters. In this case, it surely would have been better not to pit and wait for the rain.

Hamilton's tyres were not falling apart at any time. And as long as they don't, it's the clearly right choice to stay on the tyres and maintain track advantage as it's almost impossible to overtake in Monaco.

[dans79]

but man... some of his fans are really calling for it, don't they?

O please you are no better!

[bosyber]

Well, not after a race, the poll only runs until the checkered flag - but, yes indeed, there's a strong bias in favour of Verstappen there (including in the Ziggo Sport F1 program, and 'popular' newspapers) - apparently there is a similar (maybe smaller) bias towards Leclerc, no doubt fuelled by the way he often got the brunt of the Ferrari problems.

[Sierra117]

That’s not of big importance in Monaco. It’s gonna rain anyway, just stay out and have track advantage.

When Hamilton is saying that the tyres fell apart even without pushing then it sure as heck matters. The rain is a maybe, the tyres falling apart is a direct observation so why not pit and change instead of risking worse?

Looking back at the race, the amount of rain was insignificant. Teams probably knew that, so it was a right choice changing tyres in SC phase.
However, for me, watching it on TV, I was awaiting more rain and a change to Inters. In this case, it surely would have been better not to pit and wait for the rain.

Hamilton's tyres were not falling apart at any time. And as long as they don't, it's the clearly right choice to stay on the tyres and maintain track advantage as it's almost impossible to overtake in Monaco.

His softs at the beginning were done and dusted. Would not last as long as the Mediums. Plus, you need to make one stop anyway, so why not go on a new set of tyres on in an SC window? I don't get it, this is textbook stuff. The mistake they made was not putting him on Hards, that's about it.

[komninosm]

Dude your write up has two serious mistakes, your bias is showing :

" The resulting safety car period triggered lots of pitstops, a series that cost Bottas two positions due to pitting immediately behind Hamilton.
Verstappen was later given a 5s time penalty for an unsafe release during that pitstop."

- Bottas did not lose two positions due to pitting behind Hamilton. It didn't affect him at all. He only lose positions cause Verstappen crashed into him.
And Verstappen did not just have an unsafe release without incident, blocking another car. He crashed into Bottas, twice, and endangered the pit crews by pressing into it like that.

"2 laps from the end, Verstappen made an attempt and took the inside into the chicane coming out of the tunnel, but as he didn't have a clear advantage, Hamilton still turned in, making his rear wheel to touch with Verstappen's front. Hamilton went straight on, and Verstappen held on to second."

- Oh come on! Can you frame it any more in favor of Verstappen? Hamilton made his rear wheel touch with Verstappen?!
What utter nonsense. Verstappen dive bombed and blocked his wheels during breaking and lost control of the car and crashed into Hamilton's rear.

FFS learn some unbiased good reporting.

None of the reports/articles here are worth reading apart from some of the technical stuff tbh ... they're none better than the posts of the forum in that regard

The average F1 viewer is obviously an absolute moron when they vote Max as driver of the day after he ...eh ... rammed Bottas into the wall after an unsafe release and almost took out the race leader in a desperate divebomb and lost p2 because of the penalty which should have been a 10s stop and go according to the rules

If it were not for Verstappen everyone would fall asleep.

How is that even an argument?

Also, Ver (team) could have realized he's not getting past with 20 laps to go and was losing to Vettel and Bottas anyway and he could have pitted for fast tires to do fastest lap easily (1 point there) and reach around the back of Bottas in like 10 laps tops (as slow as Hamilton going) and try to pass a car again with a bigger tire difference. He could also hope while doing that, that Vettel would attempt to pass Hamilton and maybe crash a bit (or Bottas would).
Dive bombing like that is stupid and a miracle he didn't damage Hamilton's car and his own and cause them to retire.

[GerryTT]

Bottas backed out of Hamilton to make the double pit stop work for Mercedes. This held up Verstappen and Vettel costing them time.

Would the unsafe release also apply if Verstappen didn’t touch Bottas?

[Nicktec]

Well as a Dutchman I'm maybe a little biased, but it looked like Karma for Bottas. During the SC he backed up Vet and VER so that his own stop wouldn't be compromised. Although I always thought that you need to stay within a certain distance to the car you follow. RB can't afford to let VER wait until his opponents are past his pitbox, because that would mean throwing away a podium.
As for the late attack on Ham, my opinion also is that he left it too late, but on the other hand 95% of this forum love a certain driver that always said, if you don't go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver. At least he brings some 'I don't care what others think' mentality to the paddock, unlike a lot of others who rather nurse their engines and tires to a certain delta, instead of going for a attack.

[LM10]

Isn't it true for every driver who gets dive-bombed by Max? China 2018?

I don't know, if you're comparing China 2018 to today's incident, but if yes, it's just an utterly stupid thing to do. Maybe you should rewatch both situations and if you're knowledgeable enough (which is my assumption), you'll see that both incidents are quite different to each other.

It's people like you who start an unneccessary fight between fans. There is no single reason to call Vettel's name. It was a contact between Max and Hamilton - yet, you somehow have the desire to do it and start a discussion. That's nothing more than a needless provocation and I don't know why a person would want to do that? Are you bored?
Hamilton is a class driver and I totally respect his skills, but man... some of his fans are really calling for it, don't they?

Take a chill pill dude. If you don't understand the point that was made in my post, feel free to ask and understand before letting the gas in your head out. Try reading hard, may be you might get it.

Even if I misunderstood this comment of you, your initial post in which you sent a picture of Max and Hamilton's incident and put Vettel's name into the equation, giving the impression that he would have spun, is nothing more than provocation.

[LM10]

but man... some of his fans are really calling for it, don't they?

O please you are no better!

I don't remember hating on Hamilton. But you're free to show me.

[ringo]

The average F1 viewer is obviously an absolute moron when they vote Max as driver of the day after he ...eh ... rammed Bottas into the wall after an unsafe release and almost took out the race leader in a desperate divebomb and lost p2 because of the penalty which should have been a 10s stop and go according to the rules

There is a large dutch fan following that has come in to F1 following Verstappen, in the past couple of years. Their first reaction after a race, is to vote him for Driver of the Day, no matter what. There is a clear pattern to it and in the same time, the surge in Red Bull team thread here is an unsurprising co-incidence.

Indeed, so many other drivers could have been eligible for that. Hamilton, Sainz, Gasley, Grosjean in that order. Judging by performance.

[gandharva]

Max was the only one (helped by his team) that made this race even remotely interesting. Even my cat would vote him driver of the day.