2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[HPD]

Ham: “It’s just interesting how you design these cars,” he said. “The goal is to have a car that works on all tracks.

“You look at the Red Bull back in the day it used to be strong, and they are still strong, in places like Monaco and Hungary. They just continue to do the same philosophy for whatever reason for whatever reason with massive rake and it appears a lot of drag which doesn’t always suit everywhere.

“Where[as] we adapt each year, we adjust the car. We’ve got quite a cool approach, we don’t necessarily think every year that we do it best. Maybe the others have a point, maybe this would be better there. It seems like maybe the other teams don’t do that, necessarily.”
https://www.racefans.net/2019/06/25/ham ... ign-ideas/

[Bill]

Mercedes found 4tenth on chassis in Barcelona I still waiting for Rbr to bring that kind of performance.their over reliance on newey is hurting them merc has significantly more aero people than them even though their budgets are similar. If you look at their car is just the same as last year.high rake were great if you have frick to do tricky things with suspension

[JordanMugen]

“Where[as] we adapt each year, we adjust the car. We’ve got quite a cool approach, we don’t necessarily think every year that we do it best. Maybe the others have a point, maybe this would be better there. It seems like maybe the other teams don’t do that, necessarily.”

Hamilton makes an excellent analysis!

One wonders why RBR have stuck to a high rake approach!? An approach that has seemingly resulted in a car that Gasly, a very talented driver, finds very difficult to drive due to lack of rear end grip and traction.

Of course Gasly's problems may be related to suspension geometry rather than aerodynamics.

[godlameroso]

Yes, race pace gap has increased to Mercedes. The current gap to Mercedes is ~.6 seconds, it was .4 earlier in the season. Perhaps the power comes from better developing and making use of freewheel mode? And the push for turbo efficiency, and matching the ICE to the turbo is to exploit the system to the fullest.

Stage 1 introduce improvements in turbo efficiency, validate that their methods are reliable.

Stage 2 use lessons of stage 1, and increased harvesting potential to exploit open wastegate modes.

Perhaps more efficient turbo allows harvesting, or enough boost to be produced while having very little back pressure.

So perhaps some learning is needed to get the most of this update, and then the plan will be to introduce a more refined version with all the features they want at a later date.

I suppose this is the big step in power will come from.

[IvailoStefanovBG]

Meantime, I’ll bet Mr. Newey is busy figuring out how to incorporate a little bit of Citroen DS type suspension onto the front of Max’s car!

So..Again you are right on the track ahead of us...Can you explain a little bit more what you have in mind with this Citroen DS suspension and Newey ?

Hello again IvailoStefanovBG: I’ll do my best!
The video presently in vogue ................

So how this "nifty little enhancement" in Merc`s differential combines with their front suspension and what is it?

[GPR-A]

Yes, race pace gap has increased to Mercedes. The current gap to Mercedes is ~.6 seconds, it was .4 earlier in the season.

How is this ~.6?
By fourth lap, Max was 2 seconds behind Charles, which is just enough gap to ensure the tyres aren't hurt with the wake of leading car.

[godlameroso]

Yes, race pace gap has increased to Mercedes. The current gap to Mercedes is ~.6 seconds, it was .4 earlier in the season.

How is this ~.6?
By fourth lap, Max was 2 seconds behind Charles, which is just enough gap to ensure the tyres aren't hurt with the wake of leading car.

https://i.imgur.com/HhTGOUF.png

And the gap was around .6 seconds...

.8 seconds if you compare what you highlighted.

[HPD]

[Marti_EF3]

http://i68.tinypic.com/9ao65g.png

http://i67.tinypic.com/2u5xrib.png

That shows too that the RB15 is not that gentle with the tires like the RB14 was. There is an important drop of the pace on the last laps of every stint, whilist the Mercedes have a sable pace during the full stint.

I hope too, that now that the Spec 3 is fully operative after a complete GP, they can manage to unleash a bit more power with better maping and understanding. But it's only a hope. We can't expect any upgrades on chasis side after one week sadly

[Sieper]

New diffuser.

[langedweil]

One wonders why RBR have stuck to a high rake approach!? An approach that has seemingly resulted in a car that Gasly, a very talented driver, finds very difficult to drive due to lack of rear end grip.

Point is that up until the end of 2018 RB had (at least one of) the best chassis amongst the field, with loads of inherent DF and very gentle on the tires.

Now this year the tires have been tampered with, as goes for the simplified FW.. both hugely in favor of Merc's concept of no rake at all, one of the largest floors, combined with the most efficient PU of the field.

What was RB going to do then !? Replicate Merc's concept, knowing you are missing the 6yrs of experience they lie ahead of you, or stick to your own philosophy?

It's easy for Ham to blabber this nonsense, but he's just been on the right side eversince he joined Merc, a team that this year even got the optimal changes in regulations played in hand.
They always had a very good car, practically unlimited budget, and an engine that was initially lightyears ahead (and in fact still is).
So, to me these words don't really have any meaning in this context.

[GPR-A]

Yes, race pace gap has increased to Mercedes. The current gap to Mercedes is ~.6 seconds, it was .4 earlier in the season.

How is this ~.6?
By fourth lap, Max was 2 seconds behind Charles, which is just enough gap to ensure the tyres aren't hurt with the wake of leading car.

https://i.imgur.com/HhTGOUF.png

And the gap was around .6 seconds...

.8 seconds if you compare what you highlighted.

So, a Mercedes cruising ahead and a Red Bull chasing a Ferrari and also being chased by another Ferrari, is relevant for lap time comparison? Unless, you are only mathematically focused on lap times.

[seense]

New diffuser.

Source? They had a new one in france right?

[loekf2]

New diffuser.

Source? They had a new one in france right?

Yep, there was a new fin at the back of the diffuser.

Think the goal is to use LESS downforce to gain speed and still keep control of the rear. It's funny, because earlier in the season RB was looking for MORE downforce.

[sn809]

Guys don't forget Renault also hired the person who worked for FIA so they should be expected to be much higher any way thanks to that guy insider knowledge.