2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

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Re: 2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

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How did Gasly manage to be overlapped in the (almost) same car as the winner car?

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LM10 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 22:02
How did Gasly manage to be overlapped in the (almost) same car as the winner car?
The lap is very short.
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LM10 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 22:02
How did Gasly manage to be overlapped in the (almost) same car as the winner car?
Talent?
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What a surprising outcome. Who would have said after the last merc dominated races that RB would break that dominance?!

At last we had a good show! Really wondering if RB is from now on 'in the mix' or that high altitude/high temp/high Honda power modes contributed to a one day fly.

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TNTHead wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 22:14
What a surprising outcome. Who would have said after the last merc dominated races that RB would break that dominance?!

At last we had a good show! Really wondering if RB is from now on 'in the mix' or that high altitude/high temp/high Honda power modes contributed to a one day fly.
im sure it was the track. just like every year that mercedes has dominated, there are one or 2 races in which they struggle. redbull may give ferrari some problems (although gasley isnt helping that) but mercedes are going to walk on everybody in most of the races, unfortunately.

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langedweil wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 21:07
Lec opened the door and ran out of racetrack, boo-hoo.
You mean squeezed out of road. Which is illegal, and a clear cut penalty. Observe how I didn't even mention the contact.
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I think it was a great race.
Of course the overtake left a little sour aftertaste, but I still think the right man won today.
Very mature overtakes from VES today, maybe you can argue they were, apart from the most crucial one.
VET also driving very fine today, nice overtakes, but also one with the unecessary VET crowding manoeuvre.
Hell know why Ferrari chose that stratagy to start with Softs instead Medium.
Also I think they could have stretched the first stint on Soft a little bit more... the Softs seemed to cope very well in the beginning... and VET definitely pitted too early in my opinion... and then his tyres not ready (team com. radio blunder WTF?) ...
Ferrari lost this race not because VES punted LEC off the circuit.. but because they lack in the decision-making-process department.
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jz11 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 21:59
it used to be simple - if there is a car beside you, you have to leave cars width of space till the while line, you can't just ignore that someone is next to you and push the other one off the track, inside, outside, entry, apex, exit, doesn't matter, the other guy is beside you, you account for that
The "leave a car's width" thing is when a driver moves across to defend and then moves back across the track again to retake the racing line. At that point he must leave room. This rule doesn't apply here.
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zoroastar wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 22:21
TNTHead wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 22:14
What a surprising outcome. Who would have said after the last merc dominated races that RB would break that dominance?!

At last we had a good show! Really wondering if RB is from now on 'in the mix' or that high altitude/high temp/high Honda power modes contributed to a one day fly.
im sure it was the track. just like every year that mercedes has dominated, there are one or 2 races in which they struggle. redbull may give ferrari some problems (although gasley isnt helping that) but mercedes are going to walk on everybody in most of the races, unfortunately.
True, but it might also be that the last RB and Honda updates narrowed the gap to merc quite a bit. Then we'll see more battles at the front, and it isn't an easy walk over for merc anymore. Just hoping...

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Interesting/worrying (depending on your view) is that Mercedes only lost 5 points to Ferrari and lost no points to RedBull in the WCC, even though they were struggling for the entire race.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 22:25
jz11 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 21:59
it used to be simple - if there is a car beside you, you have to leave cars width of space till the while line, you can't just ignore that someone is next to you and push the other one off the track, inside, outside, entry, apex, exit, doesn't matter, the other guy is beside you, you account for that
The "leave a car's width" thing is when a driver moves across to defend and then moves back across the track again to retake the racing line. At that point he must leave room. This rule doesn't apply here.
I think its BS that they didn't penalise him. Basically they've told everyone "take the inside and drive your competitors off the road".

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So from now on it is sufficient to always defend the inner line and if someone tries to overtake push him outside even with a contact and even without leaving space when the two cars are side by side?
Funny! It reminds me the chariots race of Ben Hur!!!

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Just_a_fan wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 22:28
Interesting/worrying (depending on your view) is that Mercedes only lost 5 points to Ferrari and lost no points to RedBull in the WCC, even though they were struggling for the entire race.
lol, I hadn't noticed, but yes at Mercedes the bad days just aren't as bad are they. Tho still generally it's been encouraging for the rest of the season, enough power from the Honda and enough corner speed from everyone, depending how much we take off for the Mercedes' cooling

So Silverstone next and that will sort them out on a different playing field (can't wait!) it could be close perhaps

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Just_a_fan wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 22:25
jz11 wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 21:59
it used to be simple - if there is a car beside you, you have to leave cars width of space till the while line, you can't just ignore that someone is next to you and push the other one off the track, inside, outside, entry, apex, exit, doesn't matter, the other guy is beside you, you account for that
The "leave a car's width" thing is when a driver moves across to defend and then moves back across the track again to retake the racing line. At that point he must leave room. This rule doesn't apply here.
this certainly will make few next race starts much more exciting, especially with Max in there, now that he can do basically whatever he likes, as long as he has the inside line

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Xwang wrote:
30 Jun 2019, 22:33
So from now on it is sufficient to always defend the inner line and if someone tries to overtake push him outside even with a contact and even without leaving space when the two cars are side by side?
Funny! It reminds me the chariots race of Ben Hur!!!
Yeah I guess overtaking around the outside is no longer a thing now then.

If you have the inside line, just pretend the other car isnt there and literally bump them off the track.