2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[selvam_e2002]

I would like to see Mclaren beating RB by this year end or next year. Then need to see their relationship with Honda and how it goes.

I think Renault engine performance > Honda engine but RB getting the performance out from Chassis with help from Adrian Newey

[diffuser]

Pat Fry leaving McLaren.... again..

I wish it could have been avoided, Fry is quality and a real McLaren man.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00530

Pat Fry was kinda having a very long sabbat or semi-retirement. Guess as McLaren man he agreed to return as interim to fill in the gap untill James Key arrived from gardening leave.

He's going back to his sabbat , but I'm sure other teams will try to lure him as he might have got the taste back for F1 with this interim job at McLaren.

With the MCL34 Pat surely left his signature behind in an impressive manner. Up to key to pick up the gloves keeping up this uprising.

I could see where he could be alot of help over at Williams. He got lots of $$ when went over to Ferrari as the team principle, so yes, I can see him not needing to work. He got a bad wrap at Ferrari , think they were expecting Newey #2. He's just a top notch solid guy, not in the same rarefied air as Newey.

[Ground Effect]

I would like to see Mclaren beating RB by this year end or next year. Then need to see their relationship with Honda and how it goes.

I think Renault engine performance > Honda engine but RB getting the performance out from Chassis with help from Adrian Newey

I think Honda has better race pace, but Renault seem to have bolstered their qualy mode. The difference is more glaring in the races, so a bit of work for Renault to do. That said, there’s obviously a much bigger deficit in the chassis.

[diffuser]

I would like to see Mclaren beating RB by this year end or next year. Then need to see their relationship with Honda and how it goes.

I think Renault engine performance > Honda engine but RB getting the performance out from Chassis with help from Adrian Newey

I think a solid goal for this year, that might be attainable, is to finishing ahead Both RBR drivers in 1 race. Beating them implies finishing regularly ahead of them and that just isn't in the car between now and the end of year.

Unless you mean finishing ahead of Gasly (or whoever the 2nd driver might be for the remainder of the year). I think that's something to shoot for as well.

Next year, for me is just too far off. We can hope.

[diffuser]

I would like to see Mclaren beating RB by this year end or next year. Then need to see their relationship with Honda and how it goes.

I think Renault engine performance > Honda engine but RB getting the performance out from Chassis with help from Adrian Newey

I think Honda has better race pace, but Renault seem to have bolstered their qualy mode. The difference is more glaring in the races, so a bit of work for Renault to do. That said, there’s obviously a much bigger deficit in the chassis.

What makes you say that ?

[Ground Effect]

I would like to see Mclaren beating RB by this year end or next year. Then need to see their relationship with Honda and how it goes.

I think Renault engine performance > Honda engine but RB getting the performance out from Chassis with help from Adrian Newey

I think Honda has better race pace, but Renault seem to have bolstered their qualy mode. The difference is more glaring in the races, so a bit of work for Renault to do. That said, there’s obviously a much bigger deficit in the chassis.

What makes you say that ?

They seem to be able to push more for longer. Gasly had such a strong pace in Baku, starting from the pitlane, as did Albon in China, also from the pitlane. Max has been given "Mode 11 till the end of the race" once or twice. I could be wrong, but Red Bull seem to have a bigger advantage in races than in qualifying.

[PhillipM]

Yet Sainz nearly overtook Gasly starting from the back of the grid with the new engine...

[Ground Effect]

Yet Sainz nearly overtook Gasly starting from the back of the grid with the new engine...

Gasly is, to put it mildly, Ghastly.... Max lapped Lando, whether driving to a delta or not

[Bisonas]

One team is trying to avoid as many penalties as possible and start saving tires, engine, and car, the moment they get to best of the rest position in the race and the other team wants risks to be taken, bring new specs as soon as possible and as long new specs gives performance they don't mind the penalties.
Its perfectly logical for redbull to be pushing the engines a lot more, since they are not actually have to make it last 6-7 races.Another spec will come in the mean while, Plus they don't have nothing to lose since they are not threaten to lose 3rd potition by anyone. They can only gain by taking risks, or pushing Honda to develop faster.
I also believe that atm, Renault engine is slightly ahead of Honda engine on current specs , both in qualification and the race.
But that can easily change on future specs.

[daren_p]

Yet Sainz nearly overtook Gasly starting from the back of the grid with the new engine...

Gasly is, to put it mildly, Ghastly.... Max lapped Lando, whether driving to a delta or not

Just briefly looking at the race data, Sainz was give or take lapping around the same times as Lando on his first stint, which he went long with & they said their plan was always to drive to a delta & conserve tires the first stint. On the second stint Sainz was ~.5-1 second faster on a bunch of the laps compared to lando (until the front wing damage). He was also working his way through traffic/passing & worst case looked like their lap times were the same. So I don't think too much can be said about the race pace based on Lando's times. At the same time Sainz concentrated more on a race only setup & he was in a lot of traffic, so can't rely on his pace 100% either.

[rogazilla]

In this formula, everyone is driving to a delta majority of the race depending on your position and strategy. None of these is really a clear way to analyze the data to say one PU is better than the other in Race situation. Gasly is way off the pace of what the car can do. McLaren typically find themselves in a good position strategically this season ( seidl does a good job IMHO). At the moment what's true is Renault is stronger in Quali mode as it seems.

[diffuser]

I think Honda has better race pace, but Renault seem to have bolstered their qualy mode. The difference is more glaring in the races, so a bit of work for Renault to do. That said, there’s obviously a much bigger deficit in the chassis.

What makes you say that ?

They seem to be able to push more for longer. Gasly had such a strong pace in Baku, starting from the pitlane, as did Albon in China, also from the pitlane. Max has been given "Mode 11 till the end of the race" once or twice. I could be wrong, but Red Bull seem to have a bigger advantage in races than in qualifying.

You got to be careful interpreting race data, for long periods, they often put it on cruse control. I think McLaren have done that for every race. Sainz pushed until he broke his front win in Austria,


It's hard to compare. I just believe Renault when they say they've matched merc and ferrari on race day and Honda's stayed quite.

[Chicane]

After the con rod reliability fix Renault have been able to run the engine much more aggressively and they definitely have an edge on Honda both in qualifying and race trim. We have seen Mclaren managing to keep ahead of Redbull on straights even with better corner exits for Redbull both in Canada and Paul Ricard. The way Norris was able to make time up on straights against Max in Paul Ricard even with an older spec Renault engine in comparison to latest spec Honda on Max was a dead give away that Renault have upped the ante.

With the latest spec Renault PU, Sainz in Austria had no issues passing cars even those with their DRS open shows the strides Renault PU has made this season. Yes he had a tire advantage but clearly the PU definitely had a big role to play in addition to Mclaren's aero efficiency.

[_cerber1]

We need to remember that McLaren is holding back pilots, and does not set goals to outrun Max, because more important for us is the struggle in the middle group. Therefore, it is difficult to say what the real potential of the McLaren chassis is relative to the RB.

[Juzh]

One team is trying to avoid as many penalties as possible and start saving tires, engine, and car, the moment they get to best of the rest position in the race and the other team wants risks to be taken, bring new specs as soon as possible and as long new specs gives performance they don't mind the penalties.
Its perfectly logical for redbull to be pushing the engines a lot more, since they are not actually have to make it last 6-7 races.Another spec will come in the mean while, Plus they don't have nothing to lose since they are not threaten to lose 3rd potition by anyone. They can only gain by taking risks, or pushing Honda to develop faster.
I also believe that atm, Renault engine is slightly ahead of Honda engine on current specs , both in qualification and the race.
But that can easily change on future specs.

And yet it's the red bull currently without engine penalties or engine related DNFs . Verstappen completely destroyed midfield in france during the race (60s to sainz at the end = more than 1s per lap) when they were within thousands to him in qualifying.

In austria honda seemed to be an easy match for the renault in qualifying on the straights. It was mentioned a couple of times they improved their software coming into this weekend that allowed for more power and it showed. Problem remains the ferrari engine which is still too far away and on a whole different level when they turn in up to maximum. That's compared to both renault and honda, and even mercedes to a lesser degree.