2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[Ground Effect]

Similar thoughts here....engine supplier doesn't bring them luck.
But I think MCL is starting to detach itself from the midfield. Clearly positioning itself this season as 4th.

This season the MCL designteam hit the bullet. It's currently top notch and after some polishing I'd expect more improvements. Off course we want much more but that's a never ending story.
But they have (so painfull and visibly) hit the other limit.....the engine.

This slowly pushes them inevitably into the direction where they have to use the engine 'over the Renault designated limits' (as RBR used to do) to be able to challenge the Top 3.

I don’t see how you conclude they’ve hit engine limits. If anything, the chassis is holding back the engine and not showing what it’s actually capable of. Just the other day, Seidl said they’re goal is to find the 1-1.5secs that they’re lacking to the top teams and that the engine isn’t their problem. The B spec just arrived the other day, in only one car no less.

[Darth-Piekus]

Finally Honda got their first win after literally 5 years of painful failures though the win was mostly due to the Red Bull chassis and the talent of Max Verstappen. Last season though Red Bull won 3 races with the Renault engine. Still that is not the point here. What is going on with the Honda fanbase? Why do you feel the need to bother us? Do you have such a big inferiority complex against Mclaren? Personally I don't see any Mclaren fan caring about Honda anymore. Who hurt you so much?

[Ground Effect]

Finally Honda got their first win after literally 5 years of painful failures though the win was mostly due to the Red Bull chassis and the talent of Max Verstappen. Last season though Red Bull won 3 races with the Renault engine. Still that is not the point here. What is going on with the Honda fanbase? Why do you feel the need to bother us? Do you have such a big inferiority complex against Mclaren? Personally I don't see any Mclaren fan caring about Honda anymore. Who hurt you so much?

Fernando

[ispano6]

In regards to the DNF’s, that’s absolutely true... Although, with the exception of Carlos’ issue in Australia, I don’t think the team has had reliability issues per se... Now, if you change the engine every 2-3 races, the probability of having a DNF is reduced.

The mistake that everyone seems to make is to try and validate the engine “power” based on “race results”.

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A couple come to mind.
Canada - burning suspension
France - hydraulic pressure loss
Austria - broken wing (more so user error)

Without these the results definitely would look more impressive.

[FittingMechanics]

In regards to the DNF’s, that’s absolutely true... Although, with the exception of Carlos’ issue in Australia, I don’t think the team has had reliability issues per se... Now, if you change the engine every 2-3 races, the probability of having a DNF is reduced.

The mistake that everyone seems to make is to try and validate the engine “power” based on “race results”.

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A couple come to mind.
Canada - burning suspension
France - hydraulic pressure loss
Austria - broken wing (more so user error)

Without these the results definitely would look more impressive.

Both Canada and Austria can hardly be called reliability issues. In Canada something probably got ingested into the cooling duct (debris) which caused it to overheat, while in Austria it was damage.

[diffuser]

In regards to the DNF’s, that’s absolutely true... Although, with the exception of Carlos’ issue in Australia, I don’t think the team has had reliability issues per se... Now, if you change the engine every 2-3 races, the probability of having a DNF is reduced.

The mistake that everyone seems to make is to try and validate the engine “power” based on “race results”.

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A couple come to mind.
Canada - burning suspension
France - hydraulic pressure loss
Austria - broken wing (more so user error)

Without these the results definitely would look more impressive.

Both Canada and Austria can hardly be called reliability issues. In Canada something probably got ingested into the cooling duct (debris) which caused it to overheat, while in Austria it was damage.

After a detailed investigation, the team has concluded that high brake temperatures ultimately triggered the fire that created the suspension breakage.

"We had high temperatures in the brakes," a team spokesman told Motorsport.com. "That caused a component failure, which basically created a localized fire.

"Because it was in an area where there isn't any air flow, it didn't get extinguished, and basically we exceeded the temperatures that carbon can withstand, and effectively that led to the suspension giving way.

[_cerber1]

Qualification France.
In the bundle of turns 1-2 -5km / h, in the bundle of turns 8-9 +10km / h, in turn 11 -10km / h. The rest of the route is very smooth with RB, with a slight advantage on the straight. New motor, must add speed.

[mclaren111]

Finally Honda got their first win after literally 5 years of painful failures though the win was mostly due to the Red Bull chassis and the talent of Max Verstappen. Last season though Red Bull won 3 races with the Renault engine. Still that is not the point here. What is going on with the Honda fanbase? Why do you feel the need to bother us? Do you have such a big inferiority complex against Mclaren? Personally I don't see any Mclaren fan caring about Honda anymore. Who hurt you so much?

Fernando

Funny...

[Emag]

Could be, I'll see if I can get anyone to talk next weekend, champagne helps lubricate tongues

Hey man. I hope you are enjoying GoodWood. Have you managed to get anything out of the team in terms of updates that are to come?

[M840TR]

Daniel Ricciardo says rival team McLaren currently has "the kind of package that we're looking for".

I mean, looking at the McLarens, they're certainly the benchmark now and they've really come on, and they're the ones with that kind of package that we're looking for," Ricciardo said.

"Looking at it, they're able to run more downforce and more efficiently, so they can run higher downforce, yet lose less in the straights.

"So it seems like our package itself, when we do run more, we don't seem to be able to use it well, so that's something.

"Whether that goes back to correlation in the wind tunnel, all these things, I guess all that's going to be addressed.

"But, absolutely, something isn't adding up, and I know the team has invested a lot, and I guess the value for money is not coming yet."

Ricciardo, however, reckoned both his team and other midfield outfits can benefit from McLaren's recent form.

"They're very fast at the moment," Ricciardo said. "And part of me is actually happy that they are pushing the midfield forward.

"I think it's going to force us to get a bit more out of ourselves. Obviously I'm not happy being beaten, but I think it's going to push us to a better level, so that's our target now and we need to find a way to catch them."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... o/4488828/

[Nonserviam85]

Quite surprised Haas is still that high in qualy comparisons. Also worth noting, every other team is quite close to their position last year, no major changes except for McLaren and Williams.

The Haas is a very fast car on one lap but it destroys the tyres during the race.

Peter Windsor suggests Haas could be running their car stiff. Maybe the last year’s tyres rewarded stiffer setup and this year’s tyres don’t. Running the car with softer suspension again does impact the aero as the car pitches and rolls more. Maybe they designed a car that doesn’t adjust well to front wing bottoming and stuff like that. Maybe, as a result, they are stuck with a car that has to be run stiff for decent performance, which probably gives searing one lap pace but destroys tyres in race.

Anyways, Haas fans have a separate thread to lament in. Let’s discuss the positivity in our camp.

This is correct, I need to add that Haas were hit the most with the 2019 Thin thread tyres. Off Topic I know mods feel free to move

[Chicane]

Seidl says Mclaren should take more risks with concepts and design

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/924707/1/ ... t-position

[Lucky]

https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status ... 21249?s=19

[_cerber1]

Does it make sense?

[bauc]

Does it make sense?

But Mclaren has a deal with Renault until end of 2020, so if anything it could only happen from 2021