2008 Japanese GP

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ESPImperium wrote: However, im gonna ask one question; Does Lewis hamilton not see or know when to use the percentage game in F1??? He just goes out and wants to race the heck out of the thing, taking the best out of the tyres (Turkey 07/08 and China 07) and then when he sences things a changing, he makes rash decisions (Canada 08 and Monza Quali 2 08) in the heat of the moment.
I think that's one of the reason he is so exciting to watch. He always goes for the win.

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Massa has (if memory serves it was at Monza), Hamilton hasn't (so that's two new engines for the last two races). Not sure about Kubica.

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So, there goes the whole "2008 Golden Age Of Drivers" thread. I think it's pretty indicative of the quality of our 2008 heroes that 3 races before the end of the championship and with both championships up for grabs, the 2 main contenders just can't get their act together and finish a race properly (ie as expected from a candidate champion, in 1st place!), they can't fight properly, they can't overtake properly, they can't even avoid getting penalised for silly amateurish mistakes or dubious moves.. It is a shame in my opinion that both lewis and massa just cannot seem to be able to handle the pressure, that Piquet and the STRs finished the race ahead of both, and that even kimi failed to win this race.. congratulations to alonso and kubica, though sworn ferrari fan i am so tired of watching mistakes this year that i wish somehow kubica ends up winning the damn thing!!!
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I've just read the Bordais ruling and cannot believe that a penalty was ruled. It's unbelievable - and to hear Massa's comment on it shows a level of single-minded arrogance which even Michael Schumacher would be ashamed of.

I don't care how good his driving is, he is a drip.
ESPImperium wrote:However, im gonna ask one question; Does Lewis hamilton not see or know when to use the percentage game in F1???
Fair call - he could have just come in anywhere in the points - and he surely would have got Massa in the end with that speed difference.

But, if you're referring to the pass on Massa - it wasn't silly/risky at all by my look at the replays. He was completely and utterly ahead of Massa - Massa just hit him.. Not really much you can do about that.

Watch the video - Massa was about 10m past the normal turn-in point before he even started turning.. It almost looks to me like he was distracted by the Toyota in front of him.

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http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=YOW-jngVoT4
Schumi didnt get a penalty. plus it wasnt a first corner accident.
that was obviously a double standard.
i think Hamilton just set a new record for being the first ever racing driver to be penalised for outbraking himself.

and what is Bourdais supposed to do in that situation?
like he said stop on the circuit and roll out the red carpet and let Massa drive pass?
Bourdais wasnt a backmarker. he was competing for position with Massa.
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Question: Shouldn't Massa be getting a drive through for cutting the chicane/ overtaking off the track?

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shotzski wrote:Question: Shouldn't Massa be getting a drive through for cutting the chicane/ overtaking off the track?
Correct. And also again later when he overtook Webber on pit-straight.

ALso: by some of the logic applied yesterday shouldn't Raikkonen have been penalised for slamming into Sutil and ruining his race at Monaco?

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freedom_honda wrote:and what is Bourdais supposed to do in that situation?
like he said stop on the circuit and roll out the red carpet and let Massa drive pass?
Bourdais wasnt a backmarker. he was competing for position with Massa.
Here's a (poor) vid of the incident. I can't see anything Bordais did at all to warrant a penalty. Massa, if anyone, caused that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_WDXWvhRxw

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Correct. And also again later when he overtook Webber on pit-straight.

ALso: by some of the logic applied yesterday shouldn't Raikkonen have been penalised for slamming into Sutil and ruining his race at Monaco?
So that means, he should have had 2 drive throughs, right? I'm getting very very confused stewards' decision and Ferrari's actions. I hope Lewis (or even Kimi)would destroy Massa at the remaning 2 GPs. Massa is beginning to be a pri*k knowing that the FIA will surely meddle with the championship. He's ready to put others in danger just to pick up points. And people still say Lewis is a very dangerous driver. Yes I believe Lewis can be arrogant on track. But he's a tactical driver, and hasn't put any other driver in danger literally. So get your facts straight. Peace! :D

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I am utterly stupified by what I am reading on here!

1.) Hamilton pulls another dangerous manouver in turn 1, and people cry about the penalty.
2.) Hamilton turned INTO Massa the same way that DC has done all year long and gotten hammered by the same people that are now saying that Massa did it on purpose. Massa had his front wheels on the inside line, in FRONT of Hamiltons rear wheels. It was HAMILTONS FAULT for turning into a space where another car existed, and once again slammed the door on a competitor at speed forcing him off track.
3.) Massa was 100% at fault for his incident with Bourdais. Massa could have easily used the 2/3 of the track that was to his left to avoid the incident, instead he did EXACTLY what Hamilton did to him earlier, and that was pinching someone off track that had his front wheels in the area that he turned into.
4.) What the HELL was Hamilton thinking on the last lap fighting to get around Fernando? What a retard he is proving to be. If he was lap traffic, even getting by Fernando with rediculously aggressive moves should have gotten him blue flagged at the next corner to allow the leader to overtake. That was nothing but childish retaliation at someone else for his own stupidity. What a joke.
I thought it was a great race until I came here and read that Bourdais got a penalty for something that Massa was at fault for, and then reading the garbage about Massa running into Hamilton on purpose. Especially when it comes from the SAME people that have criticized DC for identical manouvers all season.

Congrats to Fernando for his back-to-back race wins...

And I will ask again, with 5 races remaining in the title fight, who would have thought that a non Ferrari-McLaren car would win the next three races on merit?

Wonderful drive, and looking forward to China!
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shotzski wrote:
Correct. And also again later when he overtook Webber on pit-straight.

ALso: by some of the logic applied yesterday shouldn't Raikkonen have been penalised for slamming into Sutil and ruining his race at Monaco?
So that means, he should have had 2 drive throughs, right? I'm getting very very confused stewards' decision and Ferrari's actions. I hope Lewis (or even Kimi)would destroy Massa at the remaning 2 GPs. Massa is beginning to be a pri*k knowing that the FIA will surely meddle with the championship. He's ready to put others in danger just to pick up points. And people still say Lewis is a very dangerous driver. Yes I believe Lewis can be arrogant on track. But he's a tactical driver, and hasn't put any other driver in danger literally. So get your facts straight. Peace! :D
Every person that has read this post has now become slightly retarded. When even Kubica says his moves are outright dangerous, there is a serious problem.

The cool part of these types of drivers is that they usually meet their end soon, and good riddance to smelly trash.

I am seriously beginning to revise my opinion of Alonso last season. If this crap is what it was like behind the McLaren mirrors, I'm surprised that nando didn't loosen all of Hammy's teeth.

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Hey guys: which driver has been the target of the most complaints this year from both officials and other drivers? I believe the answer is Hamilton.

IF that is true, the authorities will naturally be a bit more attentive to his driving.

That is common sense - not conspiracy.
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4.) What the HELL was Hamilton thinking on the last lap fighting to get around Fernando? What a retard he is proving to be. If he was lap traffic, even getting by Fernando with rediculously aggressive moves should have gotten him blue flagged at the next corner to allow the leader to overtake. That was nothing but childish retaliation at someone else for his own stupidity. What a joke.
I believe this was already answered: He was unlapping himself to avoid retirement. Try to back read.

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Conceptual wrote:I am utterly stupified by what I am reading on here!

1.) Hamilton pulls another dangerous manouver in turn 1, and people cry about the penalty.
you call that a dangerous manouver?
since when does outbraking himself become a dangerous manouver?
the drivers does that every race at T1.
Conceptual wrote:2.) Hamilton turned INTO Massa the same way that DC has done all year long and gotten hammered by the same people that are now saying that Massa did it on purpose. Massa had his front wheels on the inside line, in FRONT of Hamiltons rear wheels. It was HAMILTONS FAULT for turning into a space where another car existed, and once again slammed the door on a competitor at speed forcing him off track.
are you sure we are talking about the race?
Massa went wide, Hamilton was on the racing line. Hamilton has the right to keep his line as Massa was no where near the actual line. Technically speaking Massa drove off the bloody track and ran into the back of the McLaren.
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Conceptual wrote:4.) What the HELL was Hamilton thinking on the last lap fighting to get around Fernando? What a retard he is proving to be. If he was lap traffic, even getting by Fernando with rediculously aggressive moves should have gotten him blue flagged at the next corner to allow the leader to overtake. That was nothing but childish retaliation at someone else for his own stupidity. What a joke.
we talked about it before. another example of how people just flame Hamilton without actually knowing the fact.
that are too many people are giving him s**t just because he is Hamilton. not because of what he did.

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Conceptual wrote:2.) ...Massa had his front wheels on the inside line, in FRONT of Hamiltons rear wheels. It was HAMILTONS FAULT for turning into a space where another car existed, and once again slammed the door on a competitor at speed forcing him off track.
Wrong. Dead wrong. Go and watch the video closely. Massa missed the turn in by miles - and was metres away from Hamilton - and then had to do a tight turn to make the corner (losing tons of speed). Instead of staying on the track and possibly letting even Raikkonen through - he chose instead to cut the corner and risk hitting another car - which he did do.

The only time his front wheels were in-line with Hamilton's rears was when he was off the track which I'm pretty sure rules out any claim for unfairness on Hamilton's part.

It was Massa who drove where another car existed - evidenced by him hitting Hamilton who was driving on the track properly.

It is actually incredible how anyone can even attempt to claim anything other than it was 100% Massa's fault in this event.

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