2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Looks like the car is working the tires as hot as Austria and now on the colder side. Interesting in q3 my guess as temp rises no one was setting faster time. Tires and temp will play a huge deal and if it is hot Ferrari will likely struggle. We saw their soft hardly last a full lap in practice and VET starts on soft is probably not going to do well if temp don’t work out. Merc race pace is head and shoulder a sec faster than rbr. We will see who take cares of tires better.

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rogazilla wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 19:30
Merc race pace is head and shoulder a sec faster than rbr. We will see who take cares of tires better.
I follow FP2 race sim for a long time and it rarely corresponds to what is seen in the actual race. I bet RB will be, at least, as fast as Mercedes

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Hope they can sort the turbo lag issue before the race. Max told it's a matter of fine-tuning, so I think they should be capable of sort it. And good to hear that, because it have nothing to do with the PU itself, only software

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rogazilla wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 19:30
Looks like the car is working the tires as hot as Austria and now on the colder side. Interesting in q3 my guess as temp rises no one was setting faster time. Tires and temp will play a huge deal and if it is hot Ferrari will likely struggle. We saw their soft hardly last a full lap in practice and VET starts on soft is probably not going to do well if temp don’t work out. Merc race pace is head and shoulder a sec faster than rbr. We will see who take cares of tires better.
Long stint pace in FP2 looked like a sec down on Mercedes but that does not mean that in race it will be the same. As compared to Mercedes & Ferrari, Red Bull tends to drive heavy with engine dialed down more during during FP. Can be verified looking at past races this season. Same was seen in Austria as well

Weather forecast is of No rain tomorrow with slightly cooler condition than today

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 19:46
Hope they can sort the turbo lag issue before the race. Max told it's a matter of fine-tuning, so I think they should be capable of sort it. And good to hear that, because it have nothing to do with the PU itself, only software
Honda probably have mapping issues, but i am really impressed with qually performance.

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Me too, very, very impressive what the whole team (honda, RBR, drivers) are now showing. Really Hopefull signs.

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damager21 wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 19:52
rogazilla wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 19:30
Looks like the car is working the tires as hot as Austria and now on the colder side. Interesting in q3 my guess as temp rises no one was setting faster time. Tires and temp will play a huge deal and if it is hot Ferrari will likely struggle. We saw their soft hardly last a full lap in practice and VET starts on soft is probably not going to do well if temp don’t work out. Merc race pace is head and shoulder a sec faster than rbr. We will see who take cares of tires better.
Long stint pace in FP2 looked like a sec down on Mercedes but that does not mean that in race it will be the same. As compared to Mercedes & Ferrari, Red Bull tends to drive heavy with engine dialed down more during during FP. Can be verified looking at past races this season. Same was seen in Austria as well

Weather forecast is of No rain tomorrow with slightly cooler condition than today
Can't tell if the gaps are correct in FP. Remember fuel levels, practice engines and gearboxes, unoptimized setups can mask a car's true pace.

I knew qualifying was going to be close because Verstappen is still a few tenths faster than his team mate, and qualifying proved that to be the case.

I think even if Mercedes has a pace advantage, it won't make a difference if the tires don't hold up. It's a long race and the medium will start going off after 17 laps, and be really slow after ~28. The hard is too slow, so it's either an aggressive 2 stopper or manage the pace with the tires.

The big monkey wrench would be an impromptu safety car or virtual safety car. Then you have to defend, as well as making the choice for fresh rubber or track position.
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Would be better to go Mediums-Mediums-Soft? Or what Pirelli says with Medium-Soft-Hard?

I don't think switching to soft on the 1st stint is the best option with cooler temps tomorrow, graining will destroy it

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 20:50
Would be better to go Mediums-Mediums-Soft? Or what Pirelli says with Medium-Soft-Hard?

I don't think switching to soft on the 1st stint is the best option with cooler temps tomorrow, graining will destroy it
I think that would have to be a decision taken during the race. Depending on how the cars are positioned in traffic, what sort of pace the other 2 are keeping up and even if there is a safety car at some point late, but before the tyre stop.
It is a new surface and will change during the race.

The ideal would be a change to hard and finish the race, but that is no good if the fight is still unsettled.
as the saying goes-play it by ear, but be ready for either.
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verstappen's q3 lap 1.25.276
https://streamable.com/dms62

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Juzh wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 23:02
verstappen's q3 lap 1.25.276
https://streamable.com/dms62
https://streamable.com/dms62
hard luck MAX .. oh massive lag .. did they expect a pole ?!!
thnx Juzh
if RBR perform well tomorrow in the race i'll understand the weird boast from Honda to their jet crew and IHI people while introducing the spec 3 which was meaningless after the bad show in France before they mastered the sofware and turn the john wick up :wink: later on...
para bellum.

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Fast, and you can tell where there is lag in power. Perhaps deliberate to manage wheelspin.
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I would have thought the lag, and on/off nature of the power delivery that comes with it, would be more likely to invoke wheel spin. Anyway, under the circumstances, what a cracking good result. Is that the 3rd time this year where Max has had to drive around engine/software related issues? The man is maturing into such a great driver.

And fantastic to see Gasly finally stepping up to the plate too...that in itself suggest the chassis is getting better and a lot more drivable...it seems he's just not as good as Max at driving around a suboptimal set up.

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godlameroso wrote:
13 Jul 2019, 23:23
Fast, and you can tell where there is lag in power. Perhaps deliberate to manage wheelspin.
Could be, as RB try to help gasly in this race and prepare to different engine mapping in quaily is troublesome

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Amazing qualifying and good speed shown by Max, RBR and Honda.
RBH lost time to Mercedes in the slow corners, especially the last one.
Guys, What do you think about the speed shown here ?
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