2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Redbull were actually quicker than Mercedes in straights and high speed corners in silverstone qualifying. Mercedes strength is in slow speed corners. Redbull doesn't have to fear power circuits that's the new reality they are powered by Honda not Renault.

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McMika98 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 20:03
NL_Fer wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 19:54
At only 53% of Hockenheim at full trotthle and those twisty turns in the stadium, Redbull has a very good chance especially if it stays hot.
Its anyone's race to win as it will be pouring down Sat and rain in Sun.
When was the last time Mercedes did not win the race when it was wet? Answer: never in the hybrid era.
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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Thats why Verstappen keeps saying, when asked, that he prefers dry conditions.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 22:52
McMika98 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 20:03

Its anyone's race to win as it will be pouring down Sat and rain in Sun.
When was the last time Mercedes did not win the race when it was wet? Answer: never in the hybrid era.
Flip it around, Merc were never good in slow speed corners and tracks for good chassis, that is until this year. It is clear they dont have the engine and aero supremacy they once had. So that record you mention will be broken very soon. In fact i expect Honda engines to do well in the rain ala Japan last year.

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McMika98 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 23:44
Pyrone89 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 22:52
McMika98 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 20:03

Its anyone's race to win as it will be pouring down Sat and rain in Sun.
When was the last time Mercedes did not win the race when it was wet? Answer: never in the hybrid era.
Flip it around, Merc were never good in slow speed corners and tracks for good chassis, that is until this year. It is clear they dont have the engine and aero supremacy they once had. So that record you mention will be broken very soon. In fact i expect Honda engines to do well in the rain ala Japan last year.
If you think increased mechanical grip (which slow speed corners rely on) is going to hurt them in the wet you have a nast suprise coming on the next wet race :mrgreen: . It is crucial in the wet.
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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TNTHead wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 23:17
Thats why Verstappen keeps saying, when asked, that he prefers dry conditions.
Yeah, I think if you asked Verstappen he would like to run the race tomorrow in the 39 degrees heat because that would be Austria revisited. However Sat and Sun look to be conditions that are a disadvantage for RB: relatively cool, wet (less aero dependant, more mechanical which was their strength until this year) and windy (as shown before the RB15 does not like wind).
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 00:02
McMika98 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 23:44
Pyrone89 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 22:52

When was the last time Mercedes did not win the race when it was wet? Answer: never in the hybrid era.
Flip it around, Merc were never good in slow speed corners and tracks for good chassis, that is until this year. It is clear they dont have the engine and aero supremacy they once had. So that record you mention will be broken very soon. In fact i expect Honda engines to do well in the rain ala Japan last year.
If you think increased mechanical grip (which slow speed corners rely on) is going to hurt them in the wet you have a nast suprise coming on the next wet race :mrgreen: . It is crucial in the wet.
Anything more grip(aero or mechanical) will help in the rain.

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We may finally know the reason for THW heavy RB-crash:
https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/115 ... 35232?s=19

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diffuser wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 03:39
Pyrone89 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 00:02

If you think increased mechanical grip (which slow speed corners rely on) is going to hurt them in the wet you have a nast suprise coming on the next wet race :mrgreen: . It is crucial in the wet.
Anything more grip(aero or mechanical) will help in the rain.
My two pence is that aero grip is more important than mechanical in wet condition. Besides the superior mechanical grip they have on normal track condition will disappear immediately when you get a wet track. Aint no such thing as mechanical grip with wet tyres on tarmac flush with water. Engine throttle mapping is also as important. Saying all that the Merc still have better aero this year than all teams, but we will see.

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NL_Fer wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 19:54
At only 53% of Hockenheim at full trotthle and those twisty turns in the stadium, Redbull has a very good chance especially if it stays hot.
53% is an old number. Last year in was 66%. 47s full throttle for a 71s lap.

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RB should focus everything on 2020. Mercedes is now a second ahead on a short lap.
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:03
RB should focus everything on 2020. Mercedes is now a second ahead on a short lap.
Wtf ?
Isn't Austria a short lap 🤔

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Pyrone89 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:03
RB should focus everything on 2020. Mercedes is now a second ahead on a short lap.
This is the definition of premature...

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Webber2011 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:25
Pyrone89 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:03
RB should focus everything on 2020. Mercedes is now a second ahead on a short lap.
Wtf ?
Isn't Austria a short lap 🤔
This is also just a 1:13 lap
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 12:03
RB should focus everything on 2020. Mercedes is now a second ahead on a short lap.
in one moment Gasly was 1.9s behind Max. and finally Max failed 0.030 behind Ham.
That's means nothing at this stage. let's wait until qualification. if we still are 1s behind I can say it's over for this year.