2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

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Re: 2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

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jumpingfish wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 13:31
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:cry: poor bird flipped over Vettel's car
In the old days Bernie would have sent a collector to have that bird pay the ticket fee :D
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Artur Craft wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 13:47
bonjon1979 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 00:16


As a general rule, Hamilton is king in the wet. He’s won every single set race since 2014.
Is that why He almost lost pole, twice, to Vettel, in Sepang, despite much better car??? Also, check 2012 wet qualifyings to see who is really good on the wet, when no car was dominant. Another myth regarding the super hyped LH
True. But the extreme dominance of the Merc makes it hard to seperate what is driver skill and what is car plus a poor teammate in wet conditions
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Artur Craft wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 13:47
bonjon1979 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 00:16


As a general rule, Hamilton is king in the wet. He’s won every single set race since 2014.
Is that why He almost lost pole, twice, to Vettel, in Sepang, despite much better car??? Also, check 2012 wet qualifyings to see who is really good on the wet, when no car was dominant. Another myth regarding the super hyped LH
So your argument against LH not being good in the wet is that Vettel is great in the wet. And you choose the German GP thread to make that statement. Precious.
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Grosjean flat trough 11 :shock: . turn 1 is also fast AF.

P10 grosjean fp3 1.13.378
https://streamable.com/ya3va

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Juzh wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 11:47

it's still down around 14 kmh compared to his last year's q3 run
Hey mate, could you share that 2018 Q3 lap later on, please? I missed it. Was red Bull the fastest there?

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Artur Craft wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 13:47
bonjon1979 wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 00:16


As a general rule, Hamilton is king in the wet. He’s won every single set race since 2014.
Is that why He almost lost pole, twice, to Vettel, in Sepang, despite much better car??? Also, check 2012 wet qualifyings to see who is really good on the wet, when no car was dominant. Another myth regarding the super hyped LH
In the two wet qualifying sessions in 2012, Hamilton got p8, to Button's p18 in Silverstone, and he got p8 again to Button's p7, but with 7/100ths between them and both 4 seconds off the pace.

So what you're saying is ignore his performances in the wet, focus on qualifying only, in a season in which 'no car was dominant' but that he smashed his team mate to pieces in one and was the same pace in the other, and which implies the 2012 car just wasn't fast in qualifying in the wet?

Just because no car was 'dominant' doesn't mean Mclaren were equal at those two tracks or was good in the wet.

Why not talk about Japan 07, or Silverstone 08, or pretty much any race condition where as long as the car wasn't a complete dog in the rain, he trashes almost everyone in the rain with frankly only Verstappen coming at all close to his level of performance across the past decade.

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I just watched Q3, and I'm not sure what's wrong with the Mercedes, but it looks completely wrong!
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dans79 wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 14:35
I just watched Q3, and I'm not sure what's wrong with the Mercedes, but it looks completely wrong!
Who got pole mate? :shock: :shock:

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Juzh wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 14:21
Grosjean flat trough 11 :shock: . turn 1 is also fast AF.

P10 grosjean fp3 1.13.378
https://streamable.com/ya3va
https://streamable.com/ya3va
Thanks for sharing! That is quick as the Red Bull 2010. Haas have traditionally lots of downforce

I don't buy this pace from Mercedes. Still expect them on pole

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Juzh wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 14:21
Grosjean flat trough 11 :shock: . turn 1 is also fast AF.

P10 grosjean fp3 1.13.378
https://streamable.com/ya3va
https://streamable.com/ya3va
Haas has crazy downforce this year. They often go through high speed corners with the least amount of lift.

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Everyone was so sure it would rain today...
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Bill_Kar wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 14:38
dans79 wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 14:35
I just watched Q3, and I'm not sure what's wrong with the Mercedes, but it looks completely wrong!
Who got pole mate? :shock: :shock:
Ugh P3
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godlameroso wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 14:59
Everyone was so sure it would rain today...
i'd rather wait and see before guessing around ....

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dans79 wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 14:35
I just watched Q3, and I'm not sure what's wrong with the Mercedes, but it looks completely wrong!
Cough, fp3, cough. But yeah, to me it somewhat looks like they've tried to build a package with less drag, less downforce but better efficiency. Less strong in twisty sections but with the intention to lose less on the straights. If that is their goal then you'd almost think they'd run the old car at higher downforce tracks and the new car at Monza/Spa/etc. In free practice if the engine is turned way down it may turn out that they gain all that gap back in the S2 when it comes to qualifying/race, if they weren't turned down any more than Ferrari then it seems like they've given up all their gains in twisty sections to gain next to nothing back on the straights. At several tracks they are 2-5/10ths up in twisty sections but 2-4/10ths down on straights. If they give up all the gain in corners to gain only a few tenths back in straights then they'll lose out.

The other thing being they've had pretty much best or equal tire wear and race pace in part because of how little tire life they seem to lose in corners so giving away time in corners and downforce is going to hurt them.

Again it can be completely misleading as Q3 can tell a different story and their car may simply not suit germany particularly well, we'll see. They could be so certain of rain in the race that they've decided to run a different setup which is going to hurt all weekend unless it rains in the race.

Initial impressions are certainly not that it's a huge step forwards package wise, but that doesn't mean it isn't.

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drunkf1fan wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 15:01
Initial impressions are certainly not that it's a huge step forwards package wise, but that doesn't mean it isn't.
I was just referring to how the car reacted, the front didn't seem to bite, and the rear we went from being twitchy to straight up snappy.
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