2019 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, August 2-4

[Bill_Kar]

This is the second time the FIA is extremely kind to LEC and I feel the ‘nice well mannered boy next door’ facade is fading and we are seeing the true LEC who himself screams over the radio when someone races HIM hard for a change.

It's might also be a consequence of the leniency in Austria and Silverstone after Ferrari and a lot of fans (but mainly the media) kept whining how the stewards have killed racing after Canada - will be interesting to see how/where it all ends.

I'm paraphrasing here but after Austria Leclerc said that it's apparent you can drive dirty and get away with it

I was afraid that this would happen after Canada, even if I thought that VET's penalty was the right call.

I get it that everyone wants hard racing, so yes; being lenient in close fights maybe is the way to go.

BUT Leclerc cutting across was no racing at all. It was a big miscalculation and it should have been penalised as it destroyed Bottas' race.

[Schuttelberg]

Can you share the source? It seems like everyone else missed it so you must have been watching/reading something different to everyone else...

Check out the press conference. Insinuating that Gasly needs to be replaced at RBR with Alonso.

Do you not think that Gashly needs to be replaced though? That's the 2nd time this year that's he's been lapped by his team mate...plus Alonso in that seat will be a big improvement over Gashly.


Silly season idea but what about Danni Ric going back to RB.

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I think the teams know best. I think Mercedes need to replace Bottas for sure. The sample size available to us is big now. Gasly is still new.. so I tend to not jump the gun like I did with Kvyat.

[siskue2005]

Check out the press conference. Insinuating that Gasly needs to be replaced at RBR with Alonso.

Do you not think that Gashly needs to be replaced though? That's the 2nd time this year that's he's been lapped by his team mate...plus Alonso in that seat will be a big improvement over Gashly.


Silly season idea but what about Danni Ric going back to RB.

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I think the teams know best. I think Mercedes need to replace Bottas for sure. The sample size available to us is big now. Gasly is still new.. so I tend to not jump the gun like I did with Kvyat.

With that logic, we should replace Vettel aswell!

[Sieper]

After his stop Lewis was 6.2 seconds down.

We blinked.

He was in DRS. Absolutely mega few laps. Pressure straight back on Max - no time to rest the tyres... this proved critical.

Just like Seb in Canada - he is relentless when he needs to be.

That was amazing to watch and hilarious to see it catch everyone out, including seemingly the tv race Director and Martin Brundle. Suddenly he was right there!

HAM seems to have that incredible combination of amazing speed with excellent tire management. His driving style barely takes anything out of the tires even when hustling other

Anyone else saw how after that Max had back marker after back marker with DRS for him to save from Lewis attack, 4 times he had DRS on the straight (well placed by Max to overtake them correctly to help him with DRS)....that saved him from the initial onslaught.... and them Lewis ran wide and overheat his brakes and took out the best of his tyres by then.

I have no words for Kimi, what a solid job to pull that car to the back of the leaders!

And yet, Ricciardo stepped up to Max apologizing for keeping him up (right before Lewis could make his overtake attempt) after the race (in the interview square).

Held him up in the corners!, but helped him up in the straights with DRS which helped him to defend Lewis, as Lewis with DRS was clearly faster in the strights...see the difference?
Which was compliment to Max, he did excellent job in timing those! (oh how a compliment would turn to insult for a touchy fan!)...i have always seen races where Schumacher used to do such a trick while lapping the backmarkers, reminded me of that....that is why i mentioned it. (remind me to not do it in future)

No please do, in the future, actually make a compliment sometime. Would be highly appreciated.

[Espresso]

If you have so much hate for Charles after yesterday and some other dirty moves that you know off, I imagine you must really hate Max after his first 4 years of dirty driving in F1! Or is it just your dislike for Charles after mugged your boy off lap after lap in England.

As long as it gives us a thrilling F1 show.....let them race, fight...whatever on track...
(might need to censor it for my kid later....)


Whatever opinions you can place drive characters in 2 sections:
(I'll stick to the young guns...)
--> On the dark side we have: Charles and Esteban
--> On the white side we have: Max, Lando, George

...and that folks promises a challenging future (if you put them all in competitive cars)

[siskue2005]

And yet, Ricciardo stepped up to Max apologizing for keeping him up (right before Lewis could make his overtake attempt) after the race (in the interview square).

Held him up in the corners!, but helped him up in the straights with DRS which helped him to defend Lewis, as Lewis with DRS was clearly faster in the strights...see the difference?
Which was compliment to Max, he did excellent job in timing those! (oh how a compliment would turn to insult for a touchy fan!)...i have always seen races where Schumacher used to do such a trick while lapping the backmarkers, reminded me of that....that is why i mentioned it. (remind me to not do it in future)

No please do, in the future, actually make a compliment sometime. Would be highly appreciated.

No, even if my message is a compliment towards Max, his toxic fans are so insecure that they would take it for an insult!
prime example is this very conversation! why so touchy??

[dxpetrov]

Fourth great race in a row. F1 is doing well again. But one should not overlook the fact that one common denominator in all those races - Max Verstappen and his great driving.
It's been quite obvious for some time, if we are to have a great race - Max should be part of it, no doubt. Each time he suffers a DNF, the racing quality drops substantially.
You may like him or not, but this a reality.

[Sieper]

Held him up in the corners!, but helped him up in the straights with DRS which helped him to defend Lewis, as Lewis with DRS was clearly faster in the strights...see the difference?
Which was compliment to Max, he did excellent job in timing those! (oh how a compliment would turn to insult for a touchy fan!)...i have always seen races where Schumacher used to do such a trick while lapping the backmarkers, reminded me of that....that is why i mentioned it. (remind me to not do it in future)

No please do, in the future, actually make a compliment sometime. Would be highly appreciated.

No, even if my message is a compliment towards Max, his toxic fans are so insecure that they would take it for an insult!
prime example is this very conversation! why so touchy??

Toxic, insecure, touchy see everything as an insult, sending me PM's with the same.

Just help me out, next time for such imbecils as me, make it clear when you pay a compliment, thank you.

I have on multiple occasions complimented your man, I came here yesterday thinking, OK this was a tense race between two great drivers, expecting to see a happy forum, but no.

[Pyrone89]

the only mistake made by redbull was that they did the first stop 3-4 laps to early. At that time the tyre did work and i dont think that hamilton could overtake him at this time. Also Max had to do a lot of overtakes after the stop, which is by far the reason why mercedes waited that long.

But its so easy to say afterwards.

Max was telling them the tyres were gone, how he was losing grip etc. The team might have felt driver-pressure to blink early. They might ideally have wanted a few more laps on the first set, especially as the second set struggled at the end.

yeah, as i said its easy to say afterwards what they did wrong or not.

But directly after the stop i thought it was not the best decision. He came out directly behind a car and over the next few laps he had no lap without a overtake. At the end Mercedes waited a bit for the stop which everyone thought it was a mistake too, sometimes those things are just unpredictable.

Basically with such a pace difference to the chasing car your only hope is a well timed VSC or SC, or that you happen to be at the Monaco GP. There is basically zero a driver can do.

[Pyrone89]

Regarding the Leclerc/Bottas incident on the first lap
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1158054851101831170

Michael Masi was quoted as saying: "What i have seen is that Bottas front wing touched Leclerc's rear tyre, you can see it from the helicopter perspective."

So not "Leclerc cut across Bottas taking off part of his front wing" but "Bottas touched Leclerc" - he's not necessarily saying it was Bottas fault but still seeing things the wrong way around.

He further said that he's convinced that the onboard from Vettel's car is misleading.

I agree with the statement that the relative movement of cars can lead to a wrong perception of who was going where (remember Vettel/Stroll after the race in Malaysia?) but even from the heli cam it's very obvious that it's Leclerc who moved across completely unnecessarily with Bottas keeping the same distance to the left border of the track
https://i.imgur.com/u3WBlYl.png

Masi has a very skewed perception, it seems ...

And this isn't the only thing he recently said that is a bit baffling:

Several drivers complained about the state of the track in Hockenheim (calling the runoff area dumb, not up to F1 standards etc) - Masi insisted that there was no difference in grip levels to any other part of the track and that it was "fine" (which was visibly nonsense)

Several drivers and teams complained about the non penalty for the unsafe release of Leclerc, Masi insisted they did not set a dangerous precedent, shortly afterwards in the team meeting they decided to penalize the drivers from now on (again proving that he was wrong)

I won't say he's not up to the task but a Charlie Whiting he is definitely not.

It was a disgraceful move by LEC on a straight (!!) which I feel warranted a drive through penalty because it didnt really happen when battling (this was just a jerk to the left).

This is the second time the FIA is extremely kind to LEC and I feel the ‘nice well mannered boy next door’ facade is fading and we are seeing the true LEC who himself screams over the radio when someone races HIM hard for a change.

If you have so much hate for Charles after yesterday and some other dirty moves that you know off, I imagine you must really hate Max after his first 4 years of dirty driving in F1! Or is it just your dislike for Charles after mugged your boy off lap after lap in England.

You seem to be watching different GP's than anyone else. We watch a thing called F1. What exactly have you been watching?

What LEC did yesterday had zero to do with battling for a position or racing in general. It was swerving left (while a left hander was coming up, so he actually went off line for it) and damaging an opponent. Different than running someone wide to make your own radius better. At least that is a racing tactic. Compromising your own radius AND damaging an opponent by a sudden swerve is just road rage. And no I am not saying he is the only one to ever do it. At least Max's past moves had an actual racing purpose (even the block in Spa 2016, which I also thought was over the edge before you bring up fandom). Let's see how you react if it happens to Lewis instead of Lewis' main championship rival (this basically was the last nail in Bottas' WDC hopes), which is obviously clouding your judgement.

[siskue2005]

No please do, in the future, actually make a compliment sometime. Would be highly appreciated.

No, even if my message is a compliment towards Max, his toxic fans are so insecure that they would take it for an insult!
prime example is this very conversation! why so touchy??

Toxic, insecure, touchy see everything as an insult, sending me PM's with the same.

Just help me out, next time for such imbecils as me, make it clear when you pay a compliment, thank you.

I have on multiple occasions complimented your man, I came here yesterday thinking, OK this was a tense race between two great drivers, expecting to see a happy forum, but no.

i am not the one being tense and touchy mate.
you were targeting my posts and replying to it with the insecurity....i was talking about a clever thing Max did yesterday, but you turned it into a passive-aggressive reply and started targeting me ... stop replying to all my posts.

P.S. the compliment was meant for Max not you!

Anyone else saw how after that Max had back marker after back marker with DRS for him to save from Lewis attack, 4 times he had DRS on the straight (well placed by Max to overtake them correctly to help him with DRS)....that saved him from the initial onslaught.... and them Lewis ran wide and overheat his brakes and took out the best of his tyres by then.

This is my original post, which you got triggered about! i dont see any reason to be offended, as it was a complement towards Max who drove great to place his car in the traffic!

[Pyrone89]

Toto Wolff just admitted they '" we had a great, great racecar, by far the quickest car on track".

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14523 ... ion--wolff

[Wynters]

Sainz's drive is being really over rated. Gasly has failed to finish ahead of Renault's, Mclaren's, maybe a Sauber as well. Gasly is terrible on corner exit, with his issue apparently being really bad throttle application and he's not at all brave under heavy braking so the two things you want for making passes make him basically crap.

The Red Bull was clearly a much, much faster car. Sainz will have been under pressure every lap that Gasly was behind him and if he made a mistake, Gasly would've been able to capitalise. If Red Bull/Gasly did not manage to make the most of their pace, some of that must be down to Sainz, no?

You make strong and valid points for Norris, but he didn't finish 5th. The same for Kimi and, if he had finished 5th, I'd have recommended him as Driver of the day. That he not only kept Gasly behind him for half the race, but also the much faster Bottas for several laps is pretty compelling.

More than happy to agree to differ, though and I appreciate the many valid points that you raised.

[siskue2005]

Toto Wolff just admitted they '" we had a great, great racecar, by far the quickest car on track".

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14523 ... ion--wolff

So what?
the car was quickest on race day!

[Just_a_fan]

Toto Wolff just admitted they '" we had a great, great racecar, by far the quickest car on track".

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14523 ... ion--wolff

So what?
the car was quickest on race day!

He keeps saying it because he wants everyone to know that Hamilton only wins because the car's so good whereas Max does well despite having a slow car. Well done Max, the true GOAT!